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| shane |
 Apr 27 2018, 06:56 AM
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Just wondering how stupid it would be not to replace the bearing when I replace most everything around it? It's just another $100+ dollars but damn that adds up fast. It sounded okay before, just wanted some thoughts. Thank you in advance.
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| mepstein |
Apr 27 2018, 07:24 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,305 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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| worn |
Apr 27 2018, 08:53 AM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,156 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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QUOTE(shane @ Apr 27 2018, 05:56 AM)  Just wondering how stupid it would be not to replace the bearing when I replace most everything around it? It's just another $100+ dollars but damn that adds up fast. It sounded okay before, just wanted some thoughts. Thank you in advance. Boy, I hear you. I have several perfectly good used ones that I have not yet brought myself to throw away. If you don't mind pulling the engine it seems unnecessary. |
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| Tom_T |
Apr 27 2018, 09:07 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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Shane,
How much is your time worth to drop it, pull the trans & redo it just for the TO bearing later? If your time is worth more than $100, then .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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| Dr Evil |
Apr 27 2018, 09:11 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Apr 27 2018, 11:07 AM) Shane, How much is your time worth to drop it, pull the trans & redo it just for the TO bearing later? If your time is worth more than $100, then .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// This (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I have many good used, and sell them at a discount, but it comes down to the fact that a used will not last as long as new. However, they could both outlast your use of the car. Hard to tell you which way is right for you. I leave good old ones in there, but I do this for a living so changing them is not hard for me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| Mark Henry |
Apr 27 2018, 10:05 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
If you have access to a small press they come apart easy.
Inspect the balls and races if they're perfect then I see no problem getting another 100K out if it. Clean and inspect, repack with a good grease (I use swepco 101) and press it back together. Last time I did 4 in under an hour. I've also done the super expensive 911 pull style bearings. The only issue IMHO I see with the ones I've done is the factory doesn't use a waterproof grease like the swepco. If a small amount of water mixes with the grease the bearings are shot in short order. I know some will say "you can't" or "I wouldn't" but I have several guy's using repacked bearings and in both of my cars with no issue so far. My '67 bug with a 911 (901) transmission is my summer DD and I have 5 years on it. To put a 901 in a VW bug the arm needs a major offset bend in it, so this bearing likely is stressed more than a 914 bearing. |
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| shane |
Apr 29 2018, 11:07 AM
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Cool thanks for the feedback, I never though about inspecting the bearing and using or replacing. Kinda like the old days with front wheel bearing. Thanks again!!!
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| maf914 |
Apr 30 2018, 05:16 AM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 27 2018, 08:05 AM) If you have access to a small press they come apart easy. Inspect the balls and races if they're perfect then I see no problem getting another 100K out if it. Clean and inspect, repack with a good grease (I use swepco 101) and press it back together. Last time I did 4 in under an hour. I've also done the super expensive 911 pull style bearings. Mark, This is interesting. Any chance you have some photos of the process? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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| rgalla9146 |
Apr 30 2018, 06:31 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,561 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 27 2018, 12:05 PM) If you have access to a small press they come apart easy. Inspect the balls and races if they're perfect then I see no problem getting another 100K out if it. Clean and inspect, repack with a good grease (I use swepco 101) and press it back together. Last time I did 4 in under an hour. I've also done the super expensive 911 pull style bearings. The only issue IMHO I see with the ones I've done is the factory doesn't use a waterproof grease like the swepco. If a small amount of water mixes with the grease the bearings are shot in short order. I know some will say "you can't" or "I wouldn't" but I have several guy's using repacked bearings and in both of my cars with no issue so far. My '67 bug with a 911 (901) transmission is my summer DD and I have 5 years on it. To put a 901 in a VW bug the arm needs a major offset bend in it, so this bearing likely is stressed more than a 914 bearing. I agree (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Easy to disassemble, inspect, repack with superior lubricant and reuse. Take care to lever the tin cover off with a few safety razors or a very thin putty knife. I've done it many times. |
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| Mark Henry |
Apr 30 2018, 08:47 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(maf914 @ Apr 30 2018, 07:16 AM) QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 27 2018, 08:05 AM) If you have access to a small press they come apart easy. Inspect the balls and races if they're perfect then I see no problem getting another 100K out if it. Clean and inspect, repack with a good grease (I use swepco 101) and press it back together. Last time I did 4 in under an hour. I've also done the super expensive 911 pull style bearings. Mark, This is interesting. Any chance you have some photos of the process? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Just did a photo shoot I'll post it later today. |
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| Dr Evil |
Apr 30 2018, 08:53 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 30 2018, 10:47 AM) Just did a photo shoot I'll post it later today. That sounds a bit ominous, sexual chocolate. I hope you mean of the bearing. |
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| shane |
Apr 30 2018, 09:40 AM
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Hi Mark, thanks for your insight and expertise on throw out bearings and many other subjects. I was looking at my throw out bearing my stock 914 (901). It looks like you press the bearing from the back side out of the housing? Then press the bearing apart? If you had a pic it would give me more confidence on this before I start pressing. Again thanks!!!
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| Mark Henry |
Apr 30 2018, 09:56 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Apr 30 2018, 10:53 AM) QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 30 2018, 10:47 AM) Just did a photo shoot I'll post it later today. That sounds a bit ominous, sexual chocolate. I hope you mean of the bearing. Says the doctor who works on tranny's. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
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| shane |
May 4 2018, 05:55 AM
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| mb911 |
May 4 2018, 06:21 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,871 Joined: 2-January 09 From: Burlington wi Member No.: 9,892 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Never taken one apart but definitely interested to do this.. Pictures would be appreciated
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| shane |
May 7 2018, 07:14 AM
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Is there anyone who could chime in? Maybe someone's done this before just wanted to know if the bearing presses out of the bearing housing from the back it looks like, then you press the bearing apart? Thanks for any insight on this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| Dr Evil |
May 7 2018, 07:23 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(shane @ May 7 2018, 09:14 AM) Is there anyone who could chime in? Maybe someone's done this before just wanted to know if the bearing presses out of the bearing housing from the back it looks like, then you press the bearing apart? Thanks for any insight on this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) If no one else chimes in, I have junk ones I can assault later today and take pics. I have never done it and have hear of it being done. I have seen people using the grease repacking tool that looks like two funnels and a zerk fitting. |
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| Dr Evil |
May 7 2018, 07:24 AM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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| shane |
May 7 2018, 10:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 12-February 13 Member No.: 15,518 Region Association: None |
That would be cool if you could post a few pics of the postop. Am just deciding on this last step before putting it back in the car. Already have the swepco101, Would be much appreciated!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
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| rgalla9146 |
May 8 2018, 05:52 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,561 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None
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One pic tells the anatomy.
Lever the race out with two fine screwdrivers. Don't damage the tin cover. Lever the tin cover off with safety razors or putty knives. Don't damage the tin cover Clean and inspect thoroughly. Retain balls (!) with new grease against outer race, install tin, use vise to re-install inner race. As they say in the mid-west...Walla ! Attached thumbnail(s) 
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