 Is DTM necessary for a 2056 build?, or is it just marketing? |
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| GeorgeKopf |
 Apr 4 2021, 09:46 AM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 172 Joined: 9-February 21 From: Princeton, NJ Member No.: 25,186 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region  |
I've been researching the 2056 engine build and the Type 4 Store has a bundled DTM (Down The Middle) cooling system.
Is this necessary or just marketing cruft? https://lnengineering.com/type-4-store/engi...ersion-kit.html Thanks. George |
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| mepstein |
Apr 4 2021, 09:50 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,305 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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Not needed for your average 2056.
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| BeatNavy |
Apr 4 2021, 09:52 AM
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Certified Professional Scapegoat Group: Members Posts: 2,924 Joined: 26-February 14 From: Easton, MD Member No.: 17,042 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Apr 4 2021, 10:50 AM)  Not needed for your average 2056. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I'm not knocking Jake's setup, but it's not even needed on my 2270 where my heads almost never hit 300 with stock setup. Nor did I need it on a 2056. Now the oil... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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| 73-914 |
Apr 4 2021, 11:41 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 578 Joined: 24-April 10 From: Albany UpstateNY Member No.: 11,651 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(GeorgeKopf @ Apr 4 2021, 11:46 AM) I've been researching the 2056 engine build and the Type 4 Store has a bundled DTM (Down The Middle) cooling system. Is this necessary or just marketing cruft? https://lnengineering.com/type-4-store/engi...ersion-kit.html Thanks. George This setup is for a Type 1 VW |
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| VaccaRabite |
Apr 5 2021, 06:55 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,456 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The DTM is not for a Type 1.
It is a Type4 cooling system designed to be more efficient then the stock system. That said, for a 2056 is should be totally overkill unless you are making the motor into a high CR monster - and if you are doing that you probably know that you need it already and have spent a ton on parts. If memory serves it was designed for 2.5L+ motors that Jake was building back in the day that had thin cylinders and needed all the help they could get cooling. Zach |
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| Krieger |
Apr 5 2021, 07:33 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,723 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(VaccaRabite @ Apr 5 2021, 05:55 AM) The DTM is not for a Type 1. It is a Type4 cooling system designed to be more efficient then the stock system. That said, for a 2056 is should be totally overkill unless you are making the motor into a high CR monster - and if you are doing that you probably know that you need it already and have spent a ton on parts. If memory serves it was designed for 2.5L+ motors that Jake was building back in the day that had thin cylinders and needed all the help they could get cooling. Zach IIRC Jake acquired the DTM business. He did not design it. |
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| DRPHIL914 |
Apr 5 2021, 07:52 AM
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Dr. Phil Group: Members Posts: 5,768 Joined: 9-December 09 From: Bluffton, SC Member No.: 11,106 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(Krieger @ Apr 5 2021, 09:33 AM) QUOTE(VaccaRabite @ Apr 5 2021, 05:55 AM) The DTM is not for a Type 1. It is a Type4 cooling system designed to be more efficient then the stock system. That said, for a 2056 is should be totally overkill unless you are making the motor into a high CR monster - and if you are doing that you probably know that you need it already and have spent a ton on parts. If memory serves it was designed for 2.5L+ motors that Jake was building back in the day that had thin cylinders and needed all the help they could get cooling. Zach IIRC Jake acquired the DTM business. He did not design it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) i just read the history on LN website, Jake bought the rights to the name along with the molds etc, but not the Oregon Performance Products company, in 2003. It was created and designed by Joe Locicero. |
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| 73-914 |
Apr 5 2021, 08:37 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 578 Joined: 24-April 10 From: Albany UpstateNY Member No.: 11,651 Region Association: None
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If you click on the original link you will see it's for a type 4 motor in a Type 1 car
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| craig downs |
Apr 5 2021, 08:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 25-November 05 From: mira loma ca. Member No.: 5,189 Region Association: Southern California |
I have one with my 2270 and it keeps it cooled very well. It averages 275 and 300 under heavier load like climbing a hill.
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| Mark Henry |
Apr 6 2021, 05:45 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(73-914 @ Apr 5 2021, 10:37 AM) If you click on the original link you will see it's for a type 4 motor in a Type 1 car This is what the DTM was originally made for by OPP, type 4 engine into type one VW bug conversions. |
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