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doobie123
post Feb 28 2023, 01:45 PM
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hi ya'll
working on my 75, 2.0 5spd and i'm having a issue with the taco plate.
the car had a plug in the plate where the sensor goes so i want to put a sensor in. got a new sensor, gasket, and o ring from auto atlanta,(thanks george and albert) and when i put the sensor on the plate, i discovered that it wont fit in the space where it should go into the sump. i've enclosed a few pics of the parts i.m dealing with and also a shot of where the sensor is hitting the inside of the sump. i know it should go in pointing in the direction of the crank but, it won't fit in either direction.
so whats wrong? can i cut the sensor to make it fit or space it so there is more clearence? none of those sound right but maybe thats it?
anyway, any help would be great.
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post Feb 28 2023, 01:46 PM
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post Feb 28 2023, 01:47 PM
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post Feb 28 2023, 02:04 PM
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It should fit, the O-ring will compress. But may not fix your leaking problem.
That plate looks to have been beat on a bit (note dent) & you dont show the cover ?
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post Feb 28 2023, 02:13 PM
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doobie123 - I merged all three threads into this one.

Instead of starting a new thread, just reply to this one when you have more to add.

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post Feb 28 2023, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Feb 28 2023, 03:13 PM) *

doobie123 - I merged all three threads into this one.

Instead of starting a new thread, just reply to this one when you have more to add.

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Ok thanks for doing that!
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post Feb 28 2023, 03:24 PM
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Hey rich, thanks for the reply
I have the o ring and the paper gasket and George from AS is gonna find me a cover.
So the o ring doesn't seem to make a difference.
What's your idea?
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post Feb 28 2023, 03:32 PM
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looks to me like you got sensor wrong way around?
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post Feb 28 2023, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(doobie123 @ Feb 28 2023, 01:24 PM) *
I have the o ring and the paper gasket and George from AA is gonna find me a cover. So the o ring doesn't seem to make a difference? What's your idea?
Dont spend more to find the cover, replace it HERE. You just need the plate vs the assembly as you can use the existing sender.
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As was mentioned you may just have it 180 out.
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post Feb 28 2023, 06:03 PM
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hey rich,
looks like the plate you have is the answer, so, just to confirm, i won't need the cover and the sensor goes straight in so there should be no clearance issues correct?
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post Feb 28 2023, 06:23 PM
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hey rich,
looks like the plate you have is the answer, so, just to confirm, i won't need the cover and the sensor goes straight in so there should be no clearance issues correct?

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post Feb 28 2023, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(914werke @ Feb 28 2023, 04:11 PM) *

QUOTE(doobie123 @ Feb 28 2023, 01:24 PM) *
I have the o ring and the paper gasket and George from AA is gonna find me a cover. So the o ring doesn't seem to make a difference? What's your idea?
Dont spend more to find the cover, replace it HERE. You just need the plate vs the assembly as you can use the existing sender.
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As was mentioned you may just have it 180 out.
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I just pulled one of these out of a 73 2.0 and it is identical to what is in the picture, dent and all.
I prefer 914werke's Taco plate as well but what's pictured should have been installable.
It is not installed backwards either.
My unit's sensing element (inside case) goes into a large recess and is pointing towards the flywheel.
I believe the pictured plate has been overtightened in the past and is bent upwards at the bolt holes.
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post Feb 28 2023, 09:02 PM
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What should these be torqued to in order to not over-tighten?
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post Feb 28 2023, 09:05 PM
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post Feb 28 2023, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(technicalninja @ Feb 28 2023, 07:42 PM) *

QUOTE(914werke @ Feb 28 2023, 04:11 PM) *

QUOTE(doobie123 @ Feb 28 2023, 01:24 PM) *
I have the o ring and the paper gasket and George from AA is gonna find me a cover. So the o ring doesn't seem to make a difference? What's your idea?
Dont spend more to find the cover, replace it HERE. You just need the plate vs the assembly as you can use the existing sender.
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As was mentioned you may just have it 180 out.
But...
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I just pulled one of these out of a 73 2.0 and it is identical to what is in the picture, dent and all.
I prefer 914werke's Taco plate as well but what's pictured should have been installable.
It is not installed backwards either.
My unit's sensing element (inside case) goes into a large recess and is pointing towards the flywheel.
I believe the pictured plate has been overtightened in the past and is bent upwards at the bolt holes.



interesting when you look closely.
its an inverted taco plate from ones i was aware of.
ones i have seen have the housing as a formed dimple that extends out and down from taco, that one is actually formed in - can see that now by profile of lid itself around edges. have i got that right?

ones i am familiar with.

standard non temp plate.

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oil temp sensor equipped plate.

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post Feb 28 2023, 11:27 PM
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I refer to non sending ones as "blanking" plates.
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post Feb 28 2023, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(914werke @ Feb 28 2023, 11:27 PM) *

I refer to non sending ones as "blanking" plates.


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very accurate characterisation.
a bit like the handbrake warning flasher - blanking flasher for temp gauge in 6 or 2.0 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Mar 1 2023, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(wonkipop @ Feb 28 2023, 09:20 PM) *

ones i have seen have the housing as a formed dimple that extends out and down from taco, that one is actually formed in - can see that now by profile of lid itself around edges. have i got that right?


Nope. The one that extends out and down is the cover plate. It goes below the earlier plate with the bump inward. So you use both of them. You only see the cover plate when it is installed in the car, though.

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post Mar 1 2023, 08:45 PM
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A bit OT, but where does the taco plate design come from? Why not just a recessed threaded hole in the case for the (optional) temp sensor? Does the large diameter hole provide access for something else?
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post Mar 1 2023, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Mar 1 2023, 08:34 PM) *

QUOTE(wonkipop @ Feb 28 2023, 09:20 PM) *

ones i have seen have the housing as a formed dimple that extends out and down from taco, that one is actually formed in - can see that now by profile of lid itself around edges. have i got that right?


Nope. The one that extends out and down is the cover plate. It goes below the earlier plate with the bump inward. So you use both of them. You only see the cover plate when it is installed in the car, though.

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aha

the outer one is the so called breeze shield?

i don't have one of these, standard 1.8, but interested to know as was thinking maybe to install one and 2.0L style lhs instrument. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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