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rattlsnak |
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Hey, im looking to put a 993 3.6 motor into a 914. If anybody has done that, was there any clearance issues with the eng cover hitting the top of the intake? I know that the 3.0, 3.2s will fit with carbs, but wasnt sure about the 3.6 with stock intake, etc..
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xitspd |
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Technology and Tradition 3.6 and 914-6 ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,305 Joined: 17-November 04 From: Foothills of Mt. San Jacinto, CA Member No.: 3,136 ![]() |
Contact 914RS, Joe O'brien. He has done it! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) By the way, a 3.6 with (6) 50MM Webers fits as well. |
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
I believe it will fit with the intake runners and FI stuff as well. The decklid may have trouble closing but you can modify it maybe...
If you do get a 3.6, get a late 993 motor with varioram (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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914 Freak! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None ![]() |
I have a non-VarioRam 3.6 that I'll be test fitting with the stock FI next week sometime. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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Marv's3.6six |
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Actual member 7" ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 695 Joined: 22-November 04 From: Huntington Beach, Ca. Member No.: 3,165 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Varioram engine to tall to fit with stock engine lid. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) It will not fit without doing something non stock looking to the engine cover lid, I've seen an install and it looked like caca.
I went with 95 euro 3.6, non vario. BTW Vario (OBD2) engines are quite expensive to chip! McMark sez: I have a non-VarioRam 3.6 that I'll be test fitting with the stock FI next week sometime. Its been done many times, Jim Patrick has all the goodies needed to make it slip in jus' fine. Patrick Motorsports 993 3.6 Conversion stuff. |
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 26-August 05 From: ATL Member No.: 4,679 ![]() |
So, Marv, you have a 993 3.6 installed now?? with no clearance issues? I didnt think the vario motors were much, if any, taller than the non vario ones.
McMark, please keep me posted! |
Marv's3.6six |
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Actual member 7" ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 695 Joined: 22-November 04 From: Huntington Beach, Ca. Member No.: 3,165 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So, Marv, you have a 993 3.6 installed now?? Nope, car is all apart now, I put my tub on a rotissere today.
The 964/993 transplant has been done a bunch especially by PMS, I talked with Timmins but went with Patrick due to his extensive 914 experience. Here are a couple pics of 914 race car from GAF last year, while its an awesome car, I don't like what the owner had todo to make the Varioram fit. BTW aren't you Rattlsnak from the bird board with that beautiful green RS replica? Attached image(s) ![]() |
Marv's3.6six |
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Actual member 7" ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 695 Joined: 22-November 04 From: Huntington Beach, Ca. Member No.: 3,165 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I thought alot about installing the Vario motor, but the fit required too much cutting to get the intake Varioram stuff to fit! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)
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Mueller |
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914 Freak! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
from the looks of that one picture, it looks like you could easily cut and shorten the runners at least an inch or more for clearance....I doubt you'd even notice the change of the torque or hp curve...
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Spooling.... Please wait ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California ![]() ![]() |
Looks to me like the trouble area is the Throttle body, not the runners themselves.
I'd just go no engine lid... looks sick..... Andrew |
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914 Freak! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
you might be right...well, then just install the intake from a 964 3.6 on it....if I'm right, you'll also save about 10 pounds with the 964 parts (plastic) |
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Marv's3.6six |
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Actual member 7" ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 695 Joined: 22-November 04 From: Huntington Beach, Ca. Member No.: 3,165 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() ![]() |
you might be right...well, then just install the intake from a 964 3.6 on it.... Then its no longer a varioram. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
Looks to me like the trouble area is the Throttle body, and you could easily cut and shorten the runners at least an inch or more for clearance.... Looked into those things too, I felt ideally you could reverse the whole vario intake, jus rotate 180 degrees, (easily done on non vario 964/993 intakes) that would put the MAF & air filter in front by the fan......... but upon closer inspection that is not possible without some engineering beyond my $$ scope. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) |
rattlsnak |
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 26-August 05 From: ATL Member No.: 4,679 ![]() |
>>BTW aren't you Rattlsnak from the bird board with that beautiful green RSR replica?<<
Why, yes I am.. But Im looking to build a 914 hotrod... Attached thumbnail(s) ![]() |
xitspd |
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Technology and Tradition 3.6 and 914-6 ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,305 Joined: 17-November 04 From: Foothills of Mt. San Jacinto, CA Member No.: 3,136 ![]() |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) Paging, Mr. Joe O'Brien!
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914 Freak! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
in a heavy car such as a 911, I could see wanting or needing the increased torque at the lower to mid rpms (at 5K and above, they are about even)...... i have a '91 3.6 964 (heavy car !!!!) and the stock torque and HP is plenty to break loose my 255's (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif) the same motor in a 914 would be perfect as is (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/MDB2.gif) |
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rattlsnak |
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 26-August 05 From: ATL Member No.: 4,679 ![]() |
Im leaning towards a non vario, as in 95 3.6. The 993 3.6s are really a much better motor than the 964 3.6. Plus they are @ 30 more HP. I'll make it fit somehow!
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 30-March 05 From: Eugene, Oregon Member No.: 3,847 Region Association: Pacific Northwest ![]() |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap.gif) that's the spirit!
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Lesbians taste like chicken. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States ![]() |
Here you go:
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xitspd |
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Technology and Tradition 3.6 and 914-6 ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,305 Joined: 17-November 04 From: Foothills of Mt. San Jacinto, CA Member No.: 3,136 ![]() |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) Joe's engine compartment grille looks stock fromn the rear!
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Actual member 7" ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 695 Joined: 22-November 04 From: Huntington Beach, Ca. Member No.: 3,165 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Note that Joe flipped the intake around so the throttle body, MAF and air filter are in front. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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