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| Scott Carlberg |
  Nov 28 2005, 03:31 PM
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Porsche MOTORSPORTS  Group: Members Posts: 1,595 Joined: 17-April 03 From: Modesto, Ca Member No.: 580  |
My Norton AntiVirus program tells me I now have a
Trojan Horse on my Home computer, (I'm NOT at home right now) However, Norton says it can Not remove the Virus. It's possible that I am not using a Legit version of XP, possible! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) My one-year subscription of the Norton A.V. expires in about 3 weeks. My question for you: should I just re-up with Norton, or switch to someone else, like McAfee? Also, I noticed quite a few Bundles of software for sale over the weekend, like a McAfee 'Personal Fire Wall'. Is that something that would help me, a great deal, in the future? Thanks in advance for your Opinions & Advice! |
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| bd1308 |
Nov 28 2005, 03:42 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
get symantec...I use it everyday on my windows machines....for everything else, (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
it's mac or linux... oh and i've used all of them, including AVG....most of them leave you hanging when you need them most. b |
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| KaptKaos |
Nov 28 2005, 03:50 PM
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Family Group: Members Posts: 4,009 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Near Wausau Member No.: 607 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
If you have Sober (or a variant) it disables the update functions of Norton and Symantec so that you can't use those tools to clean it. Tricky bugger.
I know symantec has a Sober removal tool. It is at: Sober Removal Tool Run that, then try Trend to run a scan from the Internet. Do this only if you have a fast internet connection. As for Norton or Symantec, 6 of one, half-dozen of the other. No real dif IMO. |
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| TimT |
Nov 28 2005, 04:12 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
I use Grisoft AVG you can get a good free version, it updates every other day or so. I also use Zone Alarm as a firewall
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| 70Sixter |
Nov 28 2005, 04:14 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 422 Joined: 3-August 04 From: Surf City, NC Member No.: 2,444 Region Association: South East States |
Norton notorious for not removing malicious code very well. If that removal procedure does not work, re-load Windows. I know,,,,that sucks! Good luck!
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| reverie |
Nov 28 2005, 08:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 783 Joined: 14-March 03 Member No.: 427 Region Association: None |
In the antivirus tests done by PC World magazine, Norton/Symantec is not highly rated.. mainly because it is good at detecting viruses, but not good at removing them. McAfee is top-rated in their tests because it does both consistently well. The reviews are available online, for everyone to see.
Whatever you do, don't stay with Norton/Symantec.. the only reason it has a good reputation is because of advertising. |
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| r_towle |
Nov 28 2005, 08:31 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,585 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
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never fails... Rich |
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| Hammy |
Nov 28 2005, 08:34 PM
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mr. Wonderful Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 20-October 04 From: Columbia, California Member No.: 2,978 Region Association: Northern California |
I'm so lazy. I have a copy of Norton (don't ask where I got it (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) ) but never install it anymore. When my computer chogs down, virus related or not, i just reinstall windows again.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif)
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| TimT |
Nov 28 2005, 08:51 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
um why? write down the files pathe, at any copies it made of itself make a DOS boot disc boot the machine in DOS find the files delete them |
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| bd1308 |
Nov 28 2005, 08:55 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
that works...unless you have a NTFS partition..... b |
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| sgomes |
Nov 28 2005, 11:07 PM
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Electric Member Group: Members Posts: 815 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 2,029 |
Actually for most of the latest trojans that won't even come close to working.
google for "rootkit" to understand why that won't work. |
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| eg914 |
Nov 28 2005, 11:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 319 Joined: 17-June 04 From: Elk Grove, CA Member No.: 2,223 Region Association: None |
I use Avast anti-virus. Free and updates it's virus signatures every day, can't ask for more than that. Norton has given me nothing but fits over the years, plus try and remove it (doesn't play nice). I use ZoneAlarm (the free version) for a fire wall. It works great. Both free, guess I'm cheap!
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| KaptKaos |
Nov 29 2005, 12:19 AM
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Family Group: Members Posts: 4,009 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Near Wausau Member No.: 607 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Oh yeah, I almost forgot. FUCK SONY For those of you that don't know, Sony Music released Music CDs with software on them to enforce their copyrights. The software auto-installs after you click on the obligatory agreement screen. It installs in such a way that it hides itself on your PC so that NOTHING can find it. Some security folks discovered it, and guess what??? The virus guys latched onto it too. Now they can hide viruses on your PC and you can't do jack shit about it. Sony should be hung up by their fucking balls for this. (I am a little bitter, but working in the IT world, I don't need more headaches). Here are some articles if you are curious: Article 1 Article 2 So you all should boycot Sony stuff. Any company that thinks this poorly of their customers doesn't deserve to have any. |
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| computers4kids |
Nov 29 2005, 12:50 AM
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Love these little cars! Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Port Townsend, WA Member No.: 4,253 Region Association: None |
Forget all the antivirus software out there--you don't need them!!! They all slow your machine down and can't keep-up with all the new viruses that come out daily. For a one time $29 you can install a program called "Deep Freeze" (Internet download) by Faronics that will solve all your problems. We have been using it religiously for years in the Middle and High Schools that I work in. If a computer can withstand hundereds of teenagers using them daily and be good as new every single day...that's testimony you can take to the bank.
This is how it works: The program freezes the hard drive in your machine which you can turn on or off at will. To install new programs or make setting changes, you turn it off, make your changes and then re-freeze it. When your computer is frozen you can download every virus that is on the Internet, delete files, programs, etc and when you restart your computer it is ALL EXACTLY back to where it was when you first started it. If you spend any amount of time on the Internet, as many of all of you do, it's not if but when your virus protection will fall short. Nobody wants to spend their precious time trying to clean a virus or reinstallg an operating system--that's crazy! |
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| bd1308 |
Nov 29 2005, 01:43 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
Deep Freeze works well.....
really well. b |
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| MecGen |
Nov 29 2005, 06:02 AM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
Hey People
I do 90% of my banking on the net, I am scared shittless. I have Norton and AVG, with a Spygate firewall. I have no frikken idea if it is good or not. Sorry for the Hyjack but I have a small detour question. I was thinking of loading a small hardrive, in a portable box, and use it only for banking...problem... my 733 can't be configured to boot from USB. I was told running it from a slave, is useless protection from pin hackers. I do the usual clearing of my memory after banking, but then I have to re-enter my passwords. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) Maybe Deep Freeze is for me ? Thanx Later (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) |
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| computers4kids |
Nov 29 2005, 02:19 PM
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Love these little cars! Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Port Townsend, WA Member No.: 4,253 Region Association: None |
Depending how techy you are you could...
* They sell a removable drive cartridge that goes in one of the extra slots next to the CD ROM. You then can have a seperate drive that slides in just for your banking and another drive you use for your normal Internet stuff. Depending on what drive you have in..it becomes the "Master" on your IDE channel. *Partition your hard drive using "Partition Magic" and have a dual boot at strartup...one for banking and one for other *Deep Freeze--absolutely nothing is retained when you restart you computer |
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| tat2dphreak |
Nov 29 2005, 02:22 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
I've used a bunch, on servers and workstations too... I like AVG... works great and the price is right... free for single user... mcAffee and norton use much more overhead, and give you nothing extra... AVG also gives constant updates...
sygate is a good firewall too... easy to use, low overhead. |
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| bd1308 |
Nov 29 2005, 02:26 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
there is a small linux based bootloader that is supposed to be able to boot from USB stuff even if the PC doesn't support it...i'll check into it. b |
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