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$5000 type IV or $5000 Subaru conversion?
$5000 type IV or $5000 Subaru conversion?
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post Dec 20 2005, 05:46 PM
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There has been a lot of talk recently about affordable engine upgrades for the 914, namely larger displacement Type IV engines and Subaru conversions.

It looks as though a Type IV with 125 HP will cost about $5000 to do. It also looks like a Subaru conversion, using the Renegade kit (or a DIY conversion) will run somewhere around the same price for 165-180 HP (or more with a turbo engine).

So the poll question is if you had $5000 to spend on an upgrade for your 914, would you rather have a Type IV or a Subaru conversion?

As far as I know, no one yet offers a complete drop-in solution for the Subaru conversion, whereas a Type IV can be purchased and dropped in with little effort.

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post Dec 20 2005, 05:50 PM
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Talkto Mark about building you a type IV...then put it in and enjoy the car...

There are few places that you can exercise a car to its full potential except a track anyways.....

Get a motor in it and drive.

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post Dec 20 2005, 05:55 PM
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i vote for suby power!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:01 PM
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has anyone looked into the subaru automatic as to how hard it would be to install.It would be a great daily driver for the city folk in heavy traffic. for us old people.

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post Dec 20 2005, 06:07 PM
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Do subarus *HAVE* to have those nasty water-to-air heat exchangers?
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:12 PM
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Do subarus *HAVE* to have those nasty water-to-air heat exchangers?


Only if you want them to last more than 10 minutes or so. Though they don't tend to require an oil-to-air heat exchanger...

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post Dec 20 2005, 06:13 PM
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If I go through all the work of a water-cooled engine conversion, it will be to get 300hp. STi turbo or SBC. Otherwise I would just bolt up the Raby/McMark $5k motor.
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:15 PM
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I vote for the T-IV.

It's just simpler, and I want MY teener to remain air cooled.

BUT..I salute you Suby guys. I would love to drive a Porscharu. Might make me change my mind.


Now, aks me the same question about my water boxer syncro vanagon..

SUBY ALL THE WAY in that beast.
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:18 PM
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If I go through all the work of a water-cooled engine conversion, it will be to get 300hp. WRX turbo or SBC. Otherwise I would just bolt up the Raby/McMark $5k motor.


What if someone made a kit, where the radiator were in the engine bay? So it would be a bolt in kit.... The renegade kit does require a front radiator...

I'm not planning on getting into the business of making kits, I'm really just curious what interest there is in either camp.

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post Dec 20 2005, 06:20 PM
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I'm for keeping my 914 type 4 powered. I think the suby is a great engine but if I wanted one I would have bought the Subaru car to go with it. I feel the same re. V 8 conversions, if you want to do that well okay but it isn't a teener in the real sense anymore. This then raises the question of" what if you upgrade the stereo " does the same arguement still apply, argueably yes! I don't have a concours 914, nor will I, but I think it is still a real teener if it has the type 4. My 2 cents.

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post Dec 20 2005, 06:29 PM
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I am doing a BOP 215V8 conversion, and I am thinking of ways to keep the front trunk. When it's done I post the cost and time for the conversion. I just bought a running 215V8 for $360.00. I would also like to drive a subaru conversion! A modern engine would be nice!!!
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE (TonyAKAVW @ Dec 20 2005, 04:18 PM)
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If I go through all the work of a water-cooled engine conversion, it will be to get 300hp. WRX turbo or SBC. Otherwise I would just bolt up the Raby/McMark $5k motor.


What if someone made a kit, where the radiator were in the engine bay? So it would be a bolt in kit.... The renegade kit does require a front radiator...

I'm not planning on getting into the business of making kits, I'm really just curious what interest there is in either camp.

-Tony

Hmm... that would be sweet. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

Could an engine-bay radiator keep an STi turbo motor cool? THAT would really rock!
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post Dec 20 2005, 06:40 PM
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Could an engine-bay radiator keep an STi turbo motor cool? THAT would really rock!


Well, nobody knows for sure, because it hasn't been tried, but chances are that it can't be done without some serious scoops, etc.

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post Dec 20 2005, 07:29 PM
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My answer seems to fluctuate from day to day. Today it happened to be T-IV, but watch me talk myself into changing my mind.

Both will deliver good mileage, but the Suby could take a taller 5th because it doesn't require RPM for cooling. Factory EFI and modern engine tech will reduce the maintenance. I never regret having more HP on tap... Yep, Suby's the answer.

But the 914 is a classic and the T-IV keeps the all the stock accessories, any good example should be kept "original". Maybe T-IV is the right way to go...

On the other hand, have you guys seen that burnout video? Hmmm, I guess I don't know after all... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

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post Dec 20 2005, 07:37 PM
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How many ways can this question be asked??????
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post Dec 20 2005, 07:45 PM
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I too enjoyed the burnout video, and I love the idea of a Subaru conversion as much as anyone, but I'm surprised that video has caused so much Suby worship. Maybe Jake or McMark should make a burnout video since that seems to be so effective at selling people on a motor. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)
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post Dec 20 2005, 07:50 PM
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Gimme 2 months....
I have a true beast to unleash and its only 2081cc...
But I won't be doing it to sell anything- just for the hell of it...
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heart and soul of a 914..is an aircooled beast....
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post Dec 20 2005, 08:47 PM
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I'm not sure this is important in your decision criteria, but if you ever want to run on a road course with PCA you'll need to keep the Porsche motor!

On the other hand I really enjoyed the 914/Subaru burnout movie and have sent it around our local PCA region!
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post Dec 20 2005, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Dec 20 2005, 06:38 PM)
heart and soul of a 914..is an aircooled beast....

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