 Longitudinals repair, how bad before I throw up my hands? |
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| pek771 |
 Jan 9 2006, 07:32 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Conover, NC Member No.: 5,175 Region Association: None 
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I'll post some new pictures when I get home. I may have the record for rusted longitudinals, but I am going to fix them anyway. PO did a lot of shoddy quiltwork patching, and when I got the car opened up really well, it is ugly. I got the heater tube out of the drivers side long just a minute ago. The amount of rust is mind-boggling. At least the car is lighter now. It has taken three weeks to get it cut up this far (link in my signature)
How did Porsche construct the longs originally? Was it like a shoebox turned on its side, with the lid facing out (the inner rocker panel is the lid)? I can make a new box of 16 ga steel, roughly 6-1/2" x 4" with some internal stiffeners, and bulkhead the rear to help carry the suspension. Weld the new box into what is left of the existing longitudinal, put some new inner rockers in and be done with it. This sounds too simple, even though I have a sheet metal shop and my MIG machine at my disposal. Anyone ever try to do this before, or am I venturing into new uncharted waters? Or, am I delusional? Thanks! Pat |
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 9 2006, 07:44 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,035 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I would just buy the BradMayer Clamshells for the outer rocker repair and a new floorpan and be done with it.
What are you going to do with the rear shock towers as the brace is cut away. |
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| r_towle |
Jan 9 2006, 07:52 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,588 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Shoe box is correct.
I would say think this out. Clean up the inside of the inner long. add the inner long kit that is here on the resources section... Then do the floors over... Now, remove the outer long... Replace it with the outer clamshell kit from restoration design...it extends partially up towards the shock tower. For the shock tower, ask Jaroen what he did, he has great pics of that area and how to fix it with welding wire... BTW, Ive seen worse that have been saved...its just time and metal. Rich |
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| MecGen |
Jan 9 2006, 07:54 PM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
Dude
Without seeing a pic, this is a lot of work for even an experienced metal worker, have you ever done this before? Don't get me wrong, it can be done, and there are lots of resto threds that have used a lot of fabricated parts with good results... Just depends on the persons budjet, and time. Don.t forget the pics +Karma Later (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) |
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| Sideways |
Jan 9 2006, 07:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 119 Joined: 18-October 05 From: Calgary, AB, Canada Member No.: 4,969 |
I think you have my car. You painted it green and have the same rust........ (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| r_towle |
Jan 9 2006, 07:58 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,588 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Dude, read the thread...pics are in his signature.... Lots and lots of them |
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| MecGen |
Jan 9 2006, 08:04 PM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
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| pek771 |
Jan 9 2006, 09:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Conover, NC Member No.: 5,175 Region Association: None
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OK, I got some of the really ugly stuff on the website; progress 136 and up. Some interesting views of the inside of the left longitudinal which shows the rust pretty clearly.
I am currently flipping between "what a moron I am" and "yeah, I can fix this pretty easy". Attached is one of my favorites: Pat Attached image(s) 
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| JoeSharp |
Jan 9 2006, 10:41 PM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
I'm just really sorry I didn't find you sooner. We could have sent you a completely rust free chassie for next to nothing.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif). Well $200.00 plush shipping anyway (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) But seiousely now if you need something that can be cut out of a car let me know because we are going to cut up another one, next week.
: PERMAGRIN: Joe |
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| JoeSharp |
Jan 9 2006, 10:44 PM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
Ya know Pat: Thats the way I feel about my driver. The Hell Hole holds water but not magnets. I'm sory Pat , but I have post this as a thread.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe |
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| marks914 |
Jan 10 2006, 02:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 845 Joined: 9-October 04 From: the motor city Member No.: 2,912 Region Association: None |
Here is a link to my clamshell installation:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act=...=ST&f=2&t=43597 Mark |
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| pek771 |
Jan 10 2006, 10:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Conover, NC Member No.: 5,175 Region Association: None
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Mark:
Thanks for the link. I have figured out how I can rebuild the longs to my satisfaction, and get all of the old rusted crap out. It is not quite starting from scratch, but pretty close. I am working on the problem of a jig to hold everything together to tack all of the parts in. I should have a better idea by early next week. I will likely need to get the car off the rotisserie for the weld-in work. but I need to figure a support method...tricky, since I don't have valid, solid longs or suspension consoles at the moment. BTW, anyone know what kind of rake a 914 usually has, F to R? I need to find some alignment specs, also. Pat |
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| GWN7 |
Jan 10 2006, 10:23 PM
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King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
Top of the page ...green bar "914 info"
Also look in the "Classic threads" section. Several there on replacing sheet metal. Cross brace in the doors |
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| JoeSharp |
Jan 10 2006, 10:57 PM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
Pat: We (Thomas and myself) have been looking for almost rust free chassies for over a year together. Every time I think we have scored Thomas finds a problem and we (or he) cut it up. The next time we have a long that has a small hole in it we will cut it out and send it east.
:PERMAGRIN: Joe Attached image(s) 
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| pek771 |
Jan 11 2006, 08:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Conover, NC Member No.: 5,175 Region Association: None
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Figured I post some more progress on cutting out the rust. Maybe I can do the rust abatement in the longs by the weekend, so that I can be ready to try the new longs I'm fabricating next week. It amazes me that this car was patched together like this and was being driven. The right rear trailing arm adjusters shims were tack welded in!
Progress photos 156-170 in the link. Also, thanks to everyone for your offer, help and encouragement. Pat |
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| pek771 |
Jan 14 2006, 08:10 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Conover, NC Member No.: 5,175 Region Association: None
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So, I found the rear section of a California car. It was basically cut in half. Anyone ever spliced two halves together before? Seems like a pretty easy fix.
Pat |
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 14 2006, 08:15 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,035 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Yes, I have seen that including a 914/6 rear and a 914/4 front. Musta been a hellve wreck.
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| Lou W |
Jan 14 2006, 08:24 PM
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"Here Kitty Kitty" my ass...... Group: Members Posts: 4,109 Joined: 9-May 04 From: Roseburg, OR. Member No.: 2,039 Region Association: Spain |
Automible Atlanta has one forsale. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| pek771 |
Jan 31 2006, 08:33 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Conover, NC Member No.: 5,175 Region Association: None
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So, I started to make some more progress. I had to take a brief hiatus for finishing the basement, plumbing the new washer and dryer and other mundane stuff. I prepped the left side a bit to accept the new longs I picked up from a California car. I'm still thinking of the best way to splice them in, and finish it off with the stuff I got from Bill at Restoration Design. I am hoping to get one side done by Sunday.
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| pek771 |
Jan 31 2006, 08:36 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Conover, NC Member No.: 5,175 Region Association: None
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Cleaned up long rear section
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