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toon1
post Feb 6 2006, 05:23 PM
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I was told to start a new thread on this one.

I want to remove the head gasket from my 1.7.

Can I remove the head gasket and still use the stock base gasket?

I know there are replacement base gaskets to bring it back to stock compression but, will leaving the stock base gasket raise the compression too much?

I can't find the link to the calculator to look this up.

Sorry if it seems like I'm (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dead horse.gif) but thanks for the info
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post Feb 6 2006, 05:29 PM
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engine calculator

not too sure how thick the head gasket is, I'm taking a wild guess and say it would raise the compression up .5 over what it is now....

best bet is to measure everything or just take a chance.....
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post Feb 6 2006, 05:42 PM
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the calc. wants to know deck hight and head cc. Where can I find that info?
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post Feb 6 2006, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(toon1 @ Feb 6 2006, 04:42 PM)
the calc. wants to know deck hight and head cc. Where can I find that info?

measuring is the only way to know......if you have access to a factory manual, it "might" tell you want the numbers are or should be for a factory spec engine...
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post Feb 6 2006, 06:05 PM
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Why would you ever want to remove the head gaskets? The Cap'n
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post Feb 6 2006, 06:13 PM
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post Feb 6 2006, 06:42 PM
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post Feb 6 2006, 07:08 PM
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I didn't want to make this a (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif) eating sesion.

I came upon a thread where Jake( a man who is well respected in this area) had talked about removing them. He made the same statement in my thread about R.P. oil and also said it was recamendedby VW and Porsche.

Since my motor is apart, now is a good time to do it.
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post Feb 6 2006, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(toon1 @ Feb 6 2006, 06:08 PM)
I didn't want to make this a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) eating sesion.

I came upon a thread where Jake( a man who is well respected in this area) had talked about removing them. He made the same statement in my thread about R.P. oil and also said it was recamendedby VW and Porsche.

Since my motor is apart, now is a good time to do it.

and the Cap'n is a dealer trained Porsche mechanic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think this falls into who is helping you build the motor, install the gasket and have problems and Jake will say "told you so"....don't install the gasket and have problems, the Cap'n will say "told you so" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

damned if you, damned if you don't (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)

do what you feel comfortable with......both solutions have been proven to work......
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post Feb 6 2006, 08:06 PM
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My son was running 12 X 1 CR on an 1800CC E production motor. We did use ARP hardware but no head gasket and even at 7500 RPM never had a leaking problem.
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post Feb 6 2006, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Feb 6 2006, 04:05 PM)
Why would you ever want to remove the head gaskets? The Cap'n

what are the advantags of leaving them in?
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post Feb 7 2006, 12:59 AM
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post Feb 7 2006, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE (toon1 @ Feb 6 2006, 10:59 PM)
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post Feb 7 2006, 01:11 AM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Feb 6 2006, 05:24 PM)
QUOTE (toon1 @ Feb 6 2006, 06:08 PM)
I didn't want to make this a  :popcorn:  eating sesion.

 I came upon a thread where Jake( a man who is well respected in this area) had talked about removing them. He made the same statement in my thread about R.P. oil and also said it was  recamendedby VW and Porsche.

 Since my motor is apart, now  is a good time to do it.

and the Cap'n is a dealer trained Porsche mechanic (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

I think this falls into who is helping you build the motor, install the gasket and have problems and Jake will say "told you so"....don't install the gasket and have problems, the Cap'n will say "told you so" (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

damned if you, damned if you don't (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)

do what you feel comfortable with......both solutions have been proven to work......

Qiuck solution. Do one or the other and don't have any problems. Then tell one of the "i told you so." Then they'll hate you and never want to talk to you again.

This is a very trivial topic. There has obviously been success both ways. If you KNOW what you're doing, then go the advanced route and try the gasketless system. If you have to ask how to measure deck height and head spce, then go with the gasket, like from factory.

And that's probly the only advantage. You won't have to calculate anything and you're less likely to make a mistake. From what I can tell, this is a quick and easy way to change compression ratios, and that's all. ++compreeion= ++octane. Usually.
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post Feb 7 2006, 01:18 AM
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Extra butter flavor. Mmmmm. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/popcorn[1].gif)
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post Feb 7 2006, 01:20 AM
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On the other hand.... I want someone to do it and document results before I do it to two or three engines. So, If you want to take the hard route anyway, I'll help ya anyway I can. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 7 2006, 01:22 AM
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Crap, what's with all these kernels in the bottom of the bag! /hijack. Fresh bag please. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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post Feb 7 2006, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE (Rand @ Feb 7 2006, 12:22 AM)
Crap, what's with all these kernels in the bottom of the bag! /hijack. Fresh bag please. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)

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post Feb 7 2006, 01:39 AM
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No more tomfoolery. Eat popcorn and pizza elsewhere! toon1 started this thread because someone told him this was going to be the only way to get lotsa input. And what do you guys let him have??? Me! God knows that he could seriously injure himself or his ancient ancestors with me around!
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post Feb 7 2006, 01:44 AM
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Thanks for bringing us back to reality Alpha. Seriously now. Ahem. Back to the last question:

What are the advantages to leaving the head gaskets in?
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