 Type-I in teener?, Why not? |
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| D1A3 |
 May 1 2006, 10:55 PM
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Gruppe Neun Vierzehn Südosten  Group: Members Posts: 362 Joined: 3-June 04 From: Atlanta, GA Member No.: 2,152 Region Association: South East States  |
Watched RIDES tonight on INHD and it was all about the 550 Spyder replicas. While I was watching, I started wondering why we could not put a high performance Type-I engine in our teeners.
What are the limitations? Any reason people are not doing it? BTW, I did search for this in the archives and did not come up with much... |
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| bd1308 |
May 1 2006, 10:56 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
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| bd1308 |
May 1 2006, 10:57 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
type 1s are kinda over-rated. They really dont have the girth and reliability that the t4 has...
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| Brando |
May 1 2006, 10:59 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
Why yes?
They just don't have the torque a type 4 does. Head design is different, type 4 heads flow better and have more potential for a bigger hp/torque engine. Only positive I can think of... Parts are super cheap and radical engine builds are affordable. |
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| bd1308 |
May 1 2006, 11:01 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
but i hear that 100k miles per build in a t1 is about the ceiling.....
although ive been through two engines in 5k miles (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) b |
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| skline |
May 1 2006, 11:03 PM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
I know a guy with a type one N/A with dual 52 Webers and he is putting out 320 ponies on the dyno. I am not sure about the longevity however but I also know he has about $5k just in head work.
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| Brando |
May 1 2006, 11:05 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(bd1308 @ May 1 2006, 10:01 PM)  but i hear that 100k miles per build in a t1 is about the ceiling..... although ive been through two engines in 5k miles (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) b At least twice of that if you don't drive it like a racecar, frequent tuneups, oil changes, etc. If you care for a Type 1 (or any engine for that matter) you can achieve longetivity. Shit, in my experience Type 1s are masochistic. They like being abused. my last type 1 was water siezed, overheated, run lean, run rich, over-revved and at one point ate an alternator. Thing still started up, idled at 900, and kept going after I sold it for $250 more than I paid (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Pugbug |
May 1 2006, 11:09 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 449 Joined: 14-February 05 From: Victoria, BC Member No.: 3,604 |
QUOTE(Brando @ May 1 2006, 09:59 PM) Why yes? They just don't have the torque a type 4 does. Head design is different, type 4 heads flow better and have more potential for a bigger hp/torque engine. Only positive I can think of... Parts are super cheap and radical engine builds are affordable. Type 1 heads flow way better than type 4 because of the difference in the exhaust ports.....That is the main reason they can be bumped up to over 300 HP fairly easily....BUT they don't last very long when you make that kind of power. Great for drag racing, but you will rebuild often. I have a type 1 (1776) in my dune buggy, and it makes probably as much if not more HP than the 1911 in my 914, mainly because of the head work, and cam. The torque's ok too. |
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| skline |
May 1 2006, 11:14 PM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(Pugbug @ May 1 2006, 10:09 PM) QUOTE(Brando @ May 1 2006, 09:59 PM) Why yes? They just don't have the torque a type 4 does. Head design is different, type 4 heads flow better and have more potential for a bigger hp/torque engine. Only positive I can think of... Parts are super cheap and radical engine builds are affordable. Type 1 heads flow way better than type 4 because of the difference in the exhaust ports.....That is the main reason they can be bumped up to over 300 HP fairly easily....BUT they don't last very long when you make that kind of power. Great for drag racing, but you will rebuild often. Funny you mention that, this guy I know with that engine has been running it for 3 seasons in a sand rail. Has not rebuilt it yet. |
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| MattR |
May 2 2006, 12:03 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
There are plenty of people converting their bugs to type 4. Maybe you could pick up an old engine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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| So.Cal.914 |
May 2 2006, 01:22 AM
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"...And it has a front trunk too." Group: Members Posts: 6,588 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J. Member No.: 1,658 Region Association: None |
T-4 , yes it is more expensive to build but so is a six. T-4 can obtain a higher cc rateing. No mod's needed on the car. And no teeners teaseing you about the T-1 in your engine bay. T-1 exaust turns 90 degrees and goes horizontal T-4 turns 90 and goes vertical, so why would it flow better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
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| MecGen |
May 2 2006, 04:55 AM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
Hi
I asked this question about a year ago, I am also surprised there aren't more T1 914s, if any ? T1 stuff is plentiful and cheap. Huge resourses for aftermarket parts. I like the 1911cc setup, had one in a 72 bug. I think that if you are thinking about the Type1 you have to add the costs of a carb conversion (or FI), Clutch, cooling system (its too fugly to put in a teener engine bay) and exhaust. And I think there is an issue of the motor turning the wrong way ???can someone confirm this? Its a hard call, a fresh T1 motor carbed/cammed, ignition, exhaust, clutch, you start coming to the T4 stock rebuild price range. If you bargain or find it used, its a lot less. IMHO a <125hp T1 is every bit as reliable as a T4. If you have a less than perfect 914, that needs just about everthing under the hood replaced...T1 is an option...I always thought it was a good idea for Britt, daily driver, cheap to fix. Has anyone here have/had this type of conversion? Mark H (member)is a good source for T1 info, maybe he will chime in. Later (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| URY914 |
May 2 2006, 06:31 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 127,402 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Putting a T-1 in a 914 would be going backward. T-4 is a evolution of the VW aircooled design.
And those T-1's which make high HP numbers are drag motors. 914's are sports cars not dragsters. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif) There are T-4's going in bugs and buses not the other way around. Go to Samba.com and have a look. |
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| Jake Raby |
May 2 2006, 10:11 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
A 914 is about 600 pounds heavier than the heaviest hard top beetle..
While the TI guys are converting to TIV power, the 914 guys are busy throwing out the TIV for alternative powerplants.... now someone wants to put a peaky engine with 80% of it's parts made in a 3rd world country into their teener... I'm confused.. |
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| bd1308 |
May 2 2006, 10:54 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
not 3rd world for much longer.....
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| Eric_Shea |
May 2 2006, 11:00 AM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,304 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains  |
QUOTE not 3rd world for much longer..... Brazil? As long as Lula's in charge it will be. Is there such a thing as a 4th world country? |
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| bd1308 |
May 2 2006, 02:58 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
I was thinking China.
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| MecGen |
May 2 2006, 03:29 PM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
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| Mueller |
May 2 2006, 03:35 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,155 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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QUOTE(MecGen @ May 2 2006, 02:29 PM) I would think someone has....I know i've seen a wasserboxer motor in a 914 (in Hawaii)...it has the same exhaust as the Type I |
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| Jake Raby |
May 2 2006, 04:57 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
It has been done...
Yes, I have done it- back in the early 90s... The car had a worthless powerband and ran hot as a firecracker... The gear ratio differences between a TI and a 914 are incredibly different, couple that to the added 914 weight and it's a Type 1 head killer... |
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