Looking for a low cost 6 cyl. engine?, Might be worth a look, San Jose, CA Options

[Porsche Rescue]

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[Porsche Rescue]

One more time..............

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=317945

[lapuwali]

Sold.

I can't believe I'm building another Six...

[Eric_Shea]

Pete... oh Pete...

[Mueller]

Sold.

I can't believe I'm building another Six...

going to convert the CIS to MS???

[lapuwali]

Probably, esp. considering a new MS-II box just arrived yesterday, to squirt the four in there now. Perhaps I'll use the CIS to MS conversion parts from Blitz, or spend big money on TWM throttle bodies.

Realistically, this engine wouldn't go in the car until next year. I may rebuild it first, and it will take me awhile to gather the rest of the bits (and generate the cash to pay for them). The /4 just started and ran yesterday (with carbs) for the first time in months. Once I have the lights wired, I'll have a drivable 914 again.

I think I know the seller, too. The name is REALLY familiar.

[GTeener]

I thought the 2.7 engines are the 'less desireable' ones?

What's involved in a rebuild? 90K miles seems high?

[DanT]

A 2.7L in an of itself is a good motor....check on this board with all the 6 conversions using some itteration of 2.7L.
What got it the bad rap, was in the 75-77 cars with thermal reactors on the exhaust to attempt to meet smog regulations.

Those thermal reactors just cooked the motor because they retained so much heat.

since this motor was out of a 75 it might not be that great of a deal...
IMHO

[GTeener]

A 2.7L in an of itself is a good motor....check on this board with all the 6 conversions using some itteration of 2.7L.
What got it the bad rap, was in the 75-77 cars with thermal reactors on the exhaust to attempt to meet smog regulations.

Those thermal reactors just cooked the motor because they retained so much heat.

since this motor was out of a 75 it might not be that great of a deal...
IMHO

I might have a lead on a 2.7L from a '79 car with 80K. Is it 'plug-n-play' if I already have a 2.2/6?

What's involved in a rebuild?

[DanT]

Gwen,

a '79 is an SC which only came with 3.0L. Are you sure it is a 79 and not a 74?
2.7L was 74-77 only.
Other than a RS 2.7L .

If it is a 3.0L from a '79 SC that should be a great motor from a car with only 80K miles. SC motors are bullet proof....like 200k miles before rebuild.

[Demick]

Appears to be a much better deal.....

craigslist 3.0

[lapuwali]

It is the least desirable, which is why it's cheap. It is out of a '75, but it has back-dated HEs on it and an 11-blade fan on it now. The guy claims to have driven it in the '75, and that it's been rebuilt at least once.

I may very well rebuild it again. I'll certainly at least strip it to a long block and look for pulled or broken studs. If I found anything suspicious, I'd tear the whole thing down and probably rebuild it with better cams and pistons, ditch the CIS to get another 30-40hp.

A rebuild, if you ship it off to a quality rebuilder, would run $10K roughly, Gwen. It should be reasonably reliable after that, esp. if you run 914/6 HEs or headers. If you wanted to upgrade the 2.2 you have now to a 2.7, it would be a bolt-on deal. You'd have to swap flywheels, but that's it. btw, a '79 911 SHOULD have a 3.0SC engine in it, not a 2.7. A 3.0SC would be MUCH more desirable, as they're extremely reliable, 250K mile engines. Swapping the 3.0 would involve buying a new conversion flywheel (the 3.0 uses 9-bolts to fit the flywheel to the crank, the 2.0 to 2.7 engines used only 6-bolts), but otherwise would be a bolt up proposition.

[lapuwali]

Appears to be a much better deal.....

craigslist 3.0

That price is insane. I'd be instantly suspicious, but if it really is complete, that's a fabulous deal.

[Allan]

Just as an example, when I got my /6 conversion it had a 2.7 out of a '77.

Noticed a severe head leak when I got it so I sent it out to a rebuilder. My instructions were, tear it completely down and measure everything. Anything that is not well within specs gets replaced. After a few bearings, cams, cam chains, case savers and a few other small items I got it back running great.

Total cost was right around $5200.00

[GTeener]

OK, so I got wrong info. The year info came from a co-worker. The engine belongs to his friend who took it out of his 911.

I called his friend. It's a 1977 2.7L engine which he replaced with a 3.0 that his brother built. It's been sitting for a year in his shed and has 85K miles on it. He bought the car in 1985 with 40K miles on it. The engine is complete, has CIS, but he kept the exhaust system for his 911.

Would I need to replace my 901 transmission with a 915 if I upgraded?

Would it be more reliable and enjoyable than my current setup?

He's says to make him a reasonable offer if I'm interested. What's reasonable?

[lapuwali]

OK, so I got wrong info. The year info came from a co-worker. The engine belongs to his friend who took it out of his 911.

I called his friend. It's a 1977 2.7L engine which he replaced with a 3.0 that his brother built. It's been sitting for a year in his shed and has 85K miles on it. He bought the car in 1985 with 40K miles on it. The engine is complete, has CIS, but he kept the exhaust system for his 911.

Would I need to replace my 901 transmission with a 915 if I upgraded?

Would it be more reliable and enjoyable than my current setup?

He's says to make him a reasonable offer if I'm interested. What's reasonable?

You'd be able to keep the 901 with a 2.7. A LOT less torque than a V8...

A stock 2.7 with CIS will make 165-175hp, and loads more torque than the 2.2 in your car now. Whether this would be more "enjoyable" is up to you. The characteristics of the two (you have a 2.2S, right?) would be very different. The 2.7 would require a lot less shifting to stay on the boil. It also wouldn't have the top-end power rush of an S tuned engine.

I think your reliability problems now are purely electrical, and won't be cured by an engine swap, obviously. Get that sorted, first. CIS is, long-term, much less of a maintenance hassle than MFI. However, your MFI seems to be working well.

As for a reasonable offer, well, that 3.0SC engine is an incredible deal, and I'd snap that up in a second if it's still for sale. For an unknown 2.7, $1500-2000 complete with injection is a good price. The one I've agreed to take is a tad high, but no money has changed hands, yet, and we've not really had the money discussion, yet.

You could probably sell the 2.2S w/MFI engine complete for a good bit more than you'd pay for a decent 2.7 w/ CIS.

[GTeener]

OK, so I got wrong info. The year info came from a co-worker. The engine belongs to his friend who took it out of his 911.

I called his friend. It's a 1977 2.7L engine which he replaced with a 3.0 that his brother built. It's been sitting for a year in his shed and has 85K miles on it. He bought the car in 1985 with 40K miles on it. The engine is complete, has CIS, but he kept the exhaust system for his 911.

Would I need to replace my 901 transmission with a 915 if I upgraded?

Would it be more reliable and enjoyable than my current setup?

He's says to make him a reasonable offer if I'm interested. What's reasonable?

You'd be able to keep the 901 with a 2.7. A LOT less torque than a V8...

A stock 2.7 with CIS will make 165-175hp, and loads more torque than the 2.2 in your car now. Whether this would be more "enjoyable" is up to you. The characteristics of the two (you have a 2.2S, right?) would be very different. The 2.7 would require a lot less shifting to stay on the boil. It also wouldn't have the top-end power rush of an S tuned engine.

I think your reliability problems now are purely electrical, and won't be cured by an engine swap, obviously. Get that sorted, first. CIS is, long-term, much less of a maintenance hassle than MFI. However, your MFI seems to be working well.

As for a reasonable offer, well, that 3.0SC engine is an incredible deal, and I'd snap that up in a second if it's still for sale. For an unknown 2.7, $1500-2000 complete with injection is a good price. The one I've agreed to take is a tad high, but no money has changed hands, yet, and we've not really had the money discussion, yet.

You could probably sell the 2.2S w/MFI engine complete for a good bit more than you'd pay for a decent 2.7 w/ CIS.

So if I'm reading you right, my 1970 2.2S w/MFI is a better engine setup than a 1977 2.7 w/CIS.

My car has never had the umph I expected from a /6, but she's a fun drive when she's willing.

[sixnotfour]

put the 2.7 crank and rods in your 2.2S and then you will have a high compression 2.4 S,

[GTeener]

put the 2.7 crank and rods in your 2.2S and then you will have a high compression 2.4 S,

What does that involve? Just buy & install? Drawbacks? Pitfalls?

[Aaron Cox]

put the 2.7 crank and rods in your 2.2S and then you will have a high compression 2.4 S,

What does that involve? Just buy & install? Drawbacks? Pitfalls?

dissasemble your 2.2, and the 2.7...

swap cranks and rods.....