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| seanery |
 Apr 29 2007, 08:26 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey!  Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None  |
I wanna put a 3.2 in whitey...
anything in particular to look for? anything to stay away from? anyone wanna trade for ?????? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) tia (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) |
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| Gint |
Apr 29 2007, 10:22 AM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,083 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains  |
No you don't...
What you *need* is a running 914. It's been so long for you, a stocker oughta be enough. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| ConeDodger |
Apr 29 2007, 10:30 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,614 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California 
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QUOTE(seanery @ Apr 29 2007, 07:26 AM)  I wanna put a 3.2 in whitey... anything in particular to look for? anything to stay away from? anyone wanna trade for ?????? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) tia (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) Good choice. Leak down and compression tests are a good idea. They have some common oil leaks that are mostly not really a problem. Head studs. They pull. If the motor you buy has a paper trail look to see that they replaced the head studs. Hopefully, reciepts that show Race Ware or steel studs like the factory used to use. Dilavar shouldn't be a deal breaker but... well, they are the problem. Engine came with 207hp at the FW from the factory but with early SSI and a less restrictive exhaust plus a chip you can get 220. I have heard that there are a couple MAF kits out there that include a replacement for the airflow meter and a low restriction air cleaner and chip that along with the exhaust will pop you up to about 240hp. These motors really wake up at 4000 rpm... That is when you get the big smiles. Lighter car + 240hp and you will smile all the way to the circus... Sorry. Couldn't resist that one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clown2.gif) |
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| GeorgeRud |
Apr 29 2007, 10:53 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I think the major advantage is the Motronics injection system that is calibrated to run well on today's gasoline (or excuse for same). I had a 911 with a 3.2, and it's a torque monster when compared with early 2.0 liter 911 engines. Very easy to drive, starts easily, and is pretty well put together. Major weak points in a nonraced engine are the valve guides, which wear out much earlier that they should.
Having said that, I have a modified 2.7 in my 914-6, and love the feel of a cammed engine, Weber carbs, etc. It somehow seems to go with the 914-6's character - more of a gocart. It revs quicker and makes noises that are hard to beat. I'll have to put a 3.2 in the next conversion and compare. I think that any of the larger displacement 911 engines, or the Subaru turbos, can make a really neat, fun to drive car. How about a supercharged 3.2 to really get some adrenalin flowing? |
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| 736conver |
Apr 29 2007, 11:13 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,117 Joined: 25-May 03 From: SE Wisconsin Member No.: 736 Region Association: None |
QUOTE Engine came with 207hp at the FW from the factory but with early SSI and a less restrictive exhaust plus a chip you can get 220. I have heard that there are a couple MAF kits out there that include a replacement for the airflow meter and a low restriction air cleaner and chip that along with the exhaust will pop you up to about 240hp. Those were the earlier engines. The later 87-89 had 231hp. Thats the one I had in my 914. Sean your love the torque and power out of the 3.2 and just as easy to install as the smaller sixes. Problem you'll have now is finding one for a good price. Current prices I believe are 4500-5500. |
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| lotus_65 |
Apr 29 2007, 01:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,608 Joined: 21-March 05 From: minneapolis, mn Member No.: 3,795 Region Association: Northstar Region |
funny that i was just wondering about prices. i saw this 911 3.2 engine on cragslist a few days ago and thought it was a little expensive. it does come with stainless exhaust though...
paul |
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| seanery |
Apr 29 2007, 10:12 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
my buddy paul stuck a nice 3.2 into his 75 Carrera, it really woke up the 911. I think it would just be awesome in a 914. I've got a 2.2T motor in the garage, but thought if I'm going through all of the effort of a conversion, I might as well get some HP with it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Anyone else got any ideas, thoughts, info, been there done thats ? |
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| TROJANMAN |
Apr 29 2007, 10:19 PM
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Looks nice in pictures......... Group: Members Posts: 5,271 Joined: 5-March 04 From: Colorado Member No.: 1,753 Region Association: None |
Stick with an earlier 3.2. The 87+ had valve guide issues.
Or maybe it was 88, I forget, but you could probably get better answers over on pelican. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| Justinp71 |
Apr 29 2007, 11:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,584 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 2,922 Region Association: None
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$5800, is good, really good if the stainless exhaust is worth something and it comes with the wiring and the computer.
Make sure you pull off the valve covers and check for broken head studs though, fairly common for 3.0/3.2 motors to have broken studs, the divlar studs (only on exhaust side) don't last that long.... Fixing those requires a partial teardown... |
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| woobn8r |
Apr 30 2007, 09:19 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 607 Joined: 7-January 07 From: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 7,435 Region Association: None |
I just totally rebuilt an '84 3.2...
Bought it for $3,500...saw it running....It had some oil leaks (no biggie) BUT! When I plled off the top end the valve seals/guides had worn down the valves and I had to replace them all...next I looked at the play in the crankshaft and decided to rebuild the whole engine.... I'm in for about $13,000 now but I have a totally rebuilt engine worth of putting in a show....all stainless hardware, polished, powdercoated, painted....It'll be perfect in my 914. |
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| Justinp71 |
Apr 30 2007, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(woobn8r @ Apr 30 2007, 08:19 AM) I just totally rebuilt an '84 3.2... Bought it for $3,500...saw it running....It had some oil leaks (no biggie) BUT! When I plled off the top end the valve seals/guides had worn down the valves and I had to replace them all...next I looked at the play in the crankshaft and decided to rebuild the whole engine.... I'm in for about $13,000 now but I have a totally rebuilt engine worth of putting in a show....all stainless hardware, polished, powdercoated, painted....It'll be perfect in my 914. Did you go to carbs? Has anyone hear done a 3.2 short stroke? These are on ebay, anyone heard of QSC? Attached image(s) 
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| echocanyons |
Apr 30 2007, 11:25 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,094 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Bay Area, CA Member No.: 7 Region Association: Central California
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QUOTE(Justinp71 @ Apr 30 2007, 09:56 AM) Has anyone hear done a 3.2 short stroke? These are on ebay, anyone heard of QSC? Those are the china made ones, I hear that you need to have them matched ot the pistons/rings. Henry at Supertec sells these matched. |
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| Justinp71 |
Apr 30 2007, 12:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,584 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 2,922 Region Association: None
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Hey how much hp do you think you could get out of the 3.7L that is in waynes book?
Its a 3.2 crank with something like 100mm pistons, with webers.. maybe close to 400hp? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) I think in his book he talks about it with CIS, but that would hold its power back. |
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| lotus_65 |
Apr 30 2007, 12:35 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,608 Joined: 21-March 05 From: minneapolis, mn Member No.: 3,795 Region Association: Northstar Region |
just spoke with Ron. the $5800. engine is from an '85, and he does not have the harness or the brain. the exhaust is good, it has an ac compressor on it. the g50's available too.
fyi paul |
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| Justinp71 |
Apr 30 2007, 05:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,584 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 2,922 Region Association: None
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What about a 3.0 with webbers and cams.. I heard those can make alot of power...
The mileage will drop, but I'm not sure by how much... edit: when you do the chip and the maf conversion on the 3.2, is the mpg still considerably better than carbs? |
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| brant |
Apr 30 2007, 05:37 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,640 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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Sean,
if you bump up to a 3.2L, i'm still interested in finding a 2.2 for my conversion brant |
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| seanery |
Apr 30 2007, 07:38 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
I've got a lead on a 0 mile rebuild by a very reputable shop (directly from the shop) - including DME & harness, It is an 84 3.2L stock except the heads were decked to get Euro spec compresion. - $9k - what do y'all think? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
ps...Brant, you are one patient guy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| woobn8r |
Apr 30 2007, 07:49 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 607 Joined: 7-January 07 From: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 7,435 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Justinp71 @ Apr 30 2007, 10:56 AM) QUOTE(woobn8r @ Apr 30 2007, 08:19 AM) I just totally rebuilt an '84 3.2... Bought it for $3,500...saw it running....It had some oil leaks (no biggie) BUT! When I plled off the top end the valve seals/guides had worn down the valves and I had to replace them all...next I looked at the play in the crankshaft and decided to rebuild the whole engine.... I'm in for about $13,000 now but I have a totally rebuilt engine worth of putting in a show....all stainless hardware, polished, powdercoated, painted....It'll be perfect in my 914. Did you go to carbs? Has anyone hear done a 3.2 short stroke? These are on ebay, anyone heard of QSC? Nope...not with Canadian weather....I hate re-jetting my ski doo.... |
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| seanery |
Apr 30 2007, 08:02 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
Justin,
one of the problems with a 3.0 (in my opinion) is that just putting webers on is only part of what is necessary. The cams are made for CIS (which I hate) and should be replaced to get the most out of the motor. That opens the door for a whole bunch of Dirk Wright's Disease (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) |
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| Allan |
Apr 30 2007, 08:06 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(Gint @ Apr 29 2007, 08:22 AM) No you don't... What you *need* is a running 914. It's been so long for you, a stocker oughta be enough. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Get that fuching car running and show up to at least 2 events (I'm talking about bbq/swap-meet/fun-run), etc... |
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