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> Spanked by a Civic?, Do you think a brand new 197 HP Civic Si can beat a
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post Sep 18 2007, 03:34 PM
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Do you think a brand new 197 HP Civic Si can beat a 914 with 3.0 6 conversion? My buddy who doesn't have a preference either way says that the civic will win hands down (he has a VW symbol tattooed on his calf too). Even if the 914-6 has 260 - 280 HP. What do you guys think? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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post Sep 18 2007, 03:36 PM
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My son has 07 SI, I doubt it would out run a 914-6 3.0 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Sep 18 2007, 03:36 PM
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Win at what? A drag race? Mountain road? Big Track? Ralley? I hit about 110 on the freeway and they can't go any faster for some wierd reason (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)
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post Sep 18 2007, 03:39 PM
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Why? When you say beat are you talking staight line, road course, oval? Really I think the 914 would have the Civic on any of those, but why race a Civic? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
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post Sep 18 2007, 03:40 PM
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I'll answer this with caution... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

First, what are we talking about 0-60? If so yes, civic will win. A 914-6 is not a zero to sixty car, never will be unless gearbox ect is non stock.

Second, unless it's a pretty exotic 3.0, 260-280 hp is not realistic.

That being said, put them on a road course or auto-x and results will change.

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post Sep 18 2007, 03:40 PM
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I'm looking for either at a paved track, at a stoplight or if you're going 30 mph down the road and one pulls up next to you.
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post Sep 18 2007, 04:13 PM
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If you're getting 260-280 HP out of that thing, I want to know what you've got in it. Still, you've got about a 1000 pound diet on that civic. I think your buddy full of (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) . My $.02
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post Sep 18 2007, 04:15 PM
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With an 8000 RPM redline and the close ratio gearbox and the power output, I suspect that the civic could conceivably out accelerate a 914/6 3.0.

I don't know about top end, but a well prepared and well driven 914/6 should be able to out handle it.

I have no times for either vehicle. I would guess that if you compared a 914 equipped with a 911 engine capable of the same 8000 RPM redline, you just may have a match, but that would be a full race motor not a 3.0.

Does it really matter?
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post Sep 18 2007, 04:19 PM
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I can eat an 89 Civic with 257 HP at the front wheels, 1850 pound car on race rubber.
my Red Neck Racer with old 2.0L can eat that car on a road course and he is a way better driver than me as he was my mentor ond co-driver.

New Civic Si does not stand a chance road race or Autocross.
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post Sep 18 2007, 04:21 PM
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Could a Civic beat a 914??? Who cares.. that guy is still driving a civic....

The 914 was built to compete with contemporary cars of its time (i.e. Datsun 240z, Fiat x 1/9, etc)

The question should be.. "can a Civic beat a Cayman"... that's much more apples and apples.
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post Sep 18 2007, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(Brian Mifsud @ Sep 18 2007, 03:21 PM) *

The question should be.. "can a Civic beat a Cayman"... that's much more apples and apples.


Civic vs. Cayman. That's about as non-apples to apples as I can think of.
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post Sep 18 2007, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(Brando @ Sep 18 2007, 02:36 PM) *

Win at what? A drag race? Mountain road? Big Track? Ralley? I hit about 110 on the freeway and they can't go any faster for some wierd reason (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)


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post Sep 18 2007, 05:48 PM
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What will the Civic Si be worth in 2044?
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post Sep 18 2007, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Sep 18 2007, 04:48 PM) *

What will the Civic Si be worth in 2044?


$100... maybe. That would be if it still runs.
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post Sep 18 2007, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(Brian Mifsud @ Sep 18 2007, 05:21 PM) *

Who cares.. that guy is still driving a civic....



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post Sep 18 2007, 06:19 PM
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I beat a new civic in my 98 A4 1.8t Quattro with 18's...

I put down 170awhp... He had more top end, but it was so much in the top end, that his 0-60 time was just pathetic! Then he had too much drag, and the turbo just took over... I'll say it was close, but the a4 was faster, and had way more tq.


now... Compared to a 914 with a 3.0 (lets give you 240hp) 6?

HAHAHAHAHA!

I just drove my v8 914 for the first time in a year. If you had HALF the power of that beast... you could obliterate the hell out of that civic.



Why are you even asking? Tell him to meet you at the local drags.
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post Sep 18 2007, 09:26 PM
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But which is better...
a Honda 6 or a Honda 4? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post Sep 18 2007, 09:32 PM
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post Sep 18 2007, 10:05 PM
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OK - So you are not getting 260 HP out of a 3.0. I misspoke. Let's say you have the elusive 3.6 which should get you around 300+ HP. Will you beat it then?
It's not that I care so much. I'm considering upgrades and I may have a problem if after I spend lots of dough (I'm guessing upwards of 15K if I can find a good 3.6 which is way above what I'm considering) and make the car more fun to drive that in a "throw down" every car on the road is still gonna beat it. I am not even the racer type. I have no interest in AX. I would have a riot going around the track but don't care to drag race. I have more fun driving around on the street and going for spirited drives on a fall day. I appreciate that the 914 is something special in itself but can't stand smarmy neigh sayers and wish to put them in their place if need be. So here in lies the ethical struggle. We can put 15k into an engine but using conventional comparators (like those would who are not fans of 914s), our cars are still only in the same class as many of the brand new 4 cylinders (GTI, A4 Turbo, Civic Si). Is anyone else willing to admit they have a small problem with this no matter how much of a diehard 914 fan you are (and believe me I am)?
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post Sep 18 2007, 10:25 PM
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My '88 NA 944 would definitely spank that civic. It only put out 191 and weighed 2200#.

A light (1800#) teener with 100+ should be able to keep up pretty damn well in a straight, shifting at the right time.
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