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| ConeDodger |
 Dec 17 2007, 08:35 PM
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Apex killer!  Group: Members Posts: 23,611 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California 
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Just rolled into the driveway from a 70 mile trip back from McMark's Original Customs Shop in Napa... Wow. I left Mark's shop at about 4:30pm so I knew I was going to get some traffic. But magically, it was sporadic and I just cruised. This motor just never ceases to amaze me. 5th gear passes are no problem. The power is everywhere. Not peaky at all. just pulls from the bottom to the top. I love this motor!!!
I think my motor is a similar combo to Dave Hunt. He has Nickies which are actually good for a little power in addition to better cooling. I will be working out some details over the winter which will be small stuff at best. Possibly an external oil cooler. Though, I have to tell you guys this again, this motor runs cooler than my stock 2.0 liter. I strongly recommend the 2270 Raby kit. Build it yourself or have Mark do it. He has a couple of them under his belt now. This is the motor VW-Porsche should have used. |
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| craig downs |
Dec 17 2007, 08:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 25-November 05 From: mira loma ca. Member No.: 5,189 Region Association: Southern California |
Your getting me to excited . I can hardly wait to experience mine. Engine is done
but the car is a ways off. |
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| ConeDodger |
Dec 17 2007, 08:48 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,611 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(craig downs @ Dec 17 2007, 06:43 PM)  Your getting me to excited . I can hardly wait to experience mine. Engine is done but the car is a ways off. Craig, Did you test fire it and run in the cam? Unless you are happy with the sound coming from behind you, get a more powerful amp for the stereo!!! |
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| craig downs |
Dec 17 2007, 09:09 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 25-November 05 From: mira loma ca. Member No.: 5,189 Region Association: Southern California |
Haven't started it yet. I actually have it setting in the office at my house as I figured
it would better than in the garage collecting dust. Pretty noisy huh? |
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| DanT |
Dec 17 2007, 09:15 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
Rob, I can only imagine, considering how nicely my new 2056 with stock D-jet runs and pulls.
Was at Laguna a week ago and put the hurt on a '65 911 sporting a Jerry Woods 2.0L 6 putting 170HP to the ground. I am sure it hurt him mightily to give me the passing signal between 4 &5 and then later in the day going up the main straight. you can just make him out behind me in this pic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| ppickerell |
Dec 17 2007, 09:29 PM
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914 addicted Group: Members Posts: 1,679 Joined: 14-October 03 From: Pleasanton, CA. Member No.: 1,246 |
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Dec 17 2007, 06:35 PM) Just rolled into the driveway from a 70 mile trip back from McMark's Original Customs Shop in Napa... Wow. I left Mark's shop at about 4:30pm so I knew I was going to get some traffic. But magically, it was sporadic and I just cruised. This motor just never ceases to amaze me. 5th gear passes are no problem. The power is everywhere. Not peaky at all. just pulls from the bottom to the top. I love this motor!!! I think my motor is a similar combo to Dave Hunt. He has Nickies which are actually good for a little power in addition to better cooling. I will be working out some details over the winter which will be small stuff at best. Possibly an external oil cooler. Though, I have to tell you guys this again, this motor runs cooler than my stock 2.0 liter. I strongly recommend the 2270 Raby kit. Build it yourself or have Mark do it. He has a couple of them under his belt now. This is the motor VW-Porsche should have used. Damn you thoroughly for this post! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| 1bad914 |
Dec 17 2007, 09:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 618 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Battle Creek, MI Member No.: 2,028 |
You suck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| toon1 |
Dec 17 2007, 10:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,849 Joined: 29-October 05 From: tracy,ca Member No.: 5,022 |
QUOTE(1bad914 @ Dec 17 2007, 07:39 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) don't rub it in (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What! no pics?? |
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| ConeDodger |
Dec 17 2007, 11:07 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,611 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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Ok...
Oh! Did you mean car pictures??? Attached image(s) 
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| ConeDodger |
Dec 17 2007, 11:11 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,611 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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Posing for the camera...
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| Gint |
Dec 17 2007, 11:19 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,083 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains  |
QUOTE(toon1 @ Dec 17 2007, 09:31 PM) QUOTE(1bad914 @ Dec 17 2007, 07:39 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) don't rub it in (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What! no pics?? I'd have to say I agree with that too. You suck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I want to drive a 2270. |
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| ConeDodger |
Dec 17 2007, 11:42 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,611 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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Dan,
I think between the handling of the 914 and your skillzzz you might have had an advantage over the 911. Nice pic though. Makes me want to get out there on the track even more... |
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| ConeDodger |
Dec 17 2007, 11:42 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,611 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(Gint @ Dec 17 2007, 09:19 PM) QUOTE(toon1 @ Dec 17 2007, 09:31 PM) QUOTE(1bad914 @ Dec 17 2007, 07:39 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) don't rub it in (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What! no pics?? I'd have to say I agree with that too. You suck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I want to drive a 2270. This is how they should have come from their momma!!! |
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| DanT |
Dec 18 2007, 12:17 AM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Dec 17 2007, 09:42 PM) Dan, I think between the handling of the 914 and your skillzzz you might have had an advantage over the 911. Nice pic though. Makes me want to get out there on the track even more... just for information purposes. the '65 911 is a purpose built track car. Full cage, gutted interior, 6" Fuchs with 205 Hoosiers, CF race seats, full track suspension and the aforementioned 170HP JWE motor. the car is probably weighs no more or even less than my 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It was built to run the Carrera de Panamerica (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| LarryR |
Dec 18 2007, 12:38 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 929 Joined: 15-March 07 From: E. Bay Area, N. California Member No.: 7,604 |
QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Dec 17 2007, 10:17 PM) QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Dec 17 2007, 09:42 PM) Dan, I think between the handling of the 914 and your skillzzz you might have had an advantage over the 911. Nice pic though. Makes me want to get out there on the track even more... just for information purposes. the '65 911 is a purpose built track car. Full cage, gutted interior, 6" Fuchs with 205 Hoosiers, CF race seats, full track suspension and the aforementioned 170HP JWE motor. the car is probably weighs no more or even less than my 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It was built to run the Carrera de Panamerica (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) SWB 911 handling sucks compared to a 914. That 2270 sounds sweet too! When Chris took it for a test run it sounded really nice. It even has me thinking to build one for season 1-2 for my track car. I figure until my driving skills get better I could cheat a little on dispacement b/c I will still loose (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| DanT |
Dec 18 2007, 12:40 AM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
handling on a well setup SWB 911 is not so bad....look at all the guys doing vintage racing with that exact setup....they do pretty well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
on the actual subject of this thread....if a 914 can do that well with a mild 2056, then a comparable 914 with a 2270 would be fantastic on the track... It will also be a formidable AX weapon...would love to have that kind of power in my Puttputt. Lite weight of the type 4, equivilent HP to a small 6 and more torque...whoooppeeeee (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) I'll be looking forward to running against Rob in an AX this coming season (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| LarryR |
Dec 18 2007, 12:46 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 929 Joined: 15-March 07 From: E. Bay Area, N. California Member No.: 7,604 |
QUOTE(Dan (Almaden Valley) @ Dec 17 2007, 10:40 PM) handling on a well setup SWB 911 is not so bad....look at all the guys doing vintage racing with that exact setup....they do pretty well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I sold my 67 last year and took in trade the 914 track car project. Mine was set up by Patrick motorsports but was still pretty darn tail happy. I loved the looks of that car. I even sold it with first right of refusal if the new owner decides to sell it. In fact I like the look of the car so much that I am the 3rd and 5th owner of the car already. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) But the 914 is by far a superior handling car. Maybe not a race winner in my hands though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) but I have watched 914's beat far superior HP 911's on the track and not just early swb cars. |
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| DanT |
Dec 18 2007, 12:51 AM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
this past weekend I disposed of a 71S, a 996, a 993, a GT3 and other various cars...all with my 2056.
yes a couple of those are not being driven to their potential, but I still got around them regardless. the 71S is a dedicated track car on stickies and I put him away. also put away an SC on stickies and track setup. I can outbrake and get thru most corners faster than most of the above cars, and initial grunt off the corners is not bad. With a 2270 my car would be fantastic. Maybe I should be building a 2270 on my GA case instead of selling it to you Rob. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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| Chris Pincetich |
Dec 18 2007, 12:57 AM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
All I can say is - THAT WAS FUN!
Thanks again for the test drive. If the 914 came from the factory in 1972 with a 2.3 TIV, it could have changed the history of the 911 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) So much TORQUE compared to my 1.7, but a little louder than I thought it would be, even with the engine sound pad in. I hope to drive it again sometime, or maybe my own in the future (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| Jake Raby |
Dec 18 2007, 06:07 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Well, well, well....
How a couple of years can change things... A couple of years ago anyone starting a thread like this would be been blasted to Mars and told that those results were impossible or "That guy in Georgia isn't doing anything special to these engines". I fought with those bastards, fought with the engine and got the results we were looking for, and yes it is special and no, you can't parallel it without a kit! Like my Dad always says "Nothing ever stays the same". We have worked hard to develop the 2270 and 2316 combos for more power and less cost, the 2008 kits, when released in a few days will be proof of this. The biggest change with the 08 kits is the fact that we won't be selling them to anyone having them assembled bu a shop other than MarkD (on the west coast) and DTM Engineering (on the east coast) since the reconfigurations we have done to make the engine kits easier to assemble. With my "Extensive prep" service we mock up the entire engine, measure deck, crunch the CR and even do valve train geometry for you! Its a heck of a deal at 650 bucks extra! With this uyou womn't need a single special tool.. Heck, I am shooting the assembly video now and will be purchasing a 120 piece craftsman tool set to use in the video to prove thats all is needed to put the entire engine together aside from whats included in the kit when the "extensive prep" service is added. Rob, your kit varys greatly from Dave Hunt's, especially in the camshaft department.. You have the same heads and basic parts, but the cam is not even close to being the same.. We are still trying to find the reason why Dave's engine made so much more power than it was supposed to. The key behind the success of my engine development program has been focusing on very broad, very usable power across the entire RPM range and sacrificing "peak" power figures for a higher average power. Extending the torque curve into a "torque plateau" has been the goal. Below is the power output from last week's test of the LEAST PERFORMING member of the 2270 family for 2008. Two years ago this combo would not have broken 140HP, and it would have taken another whole point of CR and 5 degrees more duration to even get that much power from it! remember, this is a DAILY DRIVER combo, designed for drivability and longevity, it doesn't have or need dual valve springs! (IMG:http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/400811.jpg) When is the last time you saw flat torque between 3-5,500 RPM??? Nope, we aren't doing anything special at all... Some jack asses still think that! This post has been edited by Jake Raby: Dec 18 2007, 06:08 AM |
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