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> What else should CFR Tangerine do to my 73 2.0?, Help me spend my money
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post Mar 1 2008, 11:12 PM
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At the suggestion of the board, I am bringing my 76 914 with a 73 2.0 (dual Webers) to Chris to have the engine and drive train looked at. I already have a new cam on the list. I'm also considering SS headers and break and fuel lines.

Any one else have any constructive suggestions OTHER THAN dropping in a V8 from a Cayenne GTS?

Thanks.
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post Mar 1 2008, 11:17 PM
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How much money do you want to spend? What else does the car have? If it has sagging 75# springs in the back I'd do something about that. If the pistons and cylinders aren't too fresh I'd throw a set of 96's with higher compression at it too. Valve job and maybe a wee bit of porting?
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post Mar 1 2008, 11:39 PM
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Thanks I'll add that to the discussion list!
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post Mar 2 2008, 01:49 AM
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Are you looking for more engine improvements or will you upgrade anything. Replacement springs and shocks might be good? Or a sway bar? IDK what is on your car.

Chris is a good guy, I'm sure he will have suggestions once he sees the car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 2 2008, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE(sww914 @ Mar 1 2008, 09:17 PM) *

How much money do you want to spend? What else does the car have? If it has sagging 75# springs in the back I'd do something about that. If the pistons and cylinders aren't too fresh I'd throw a set of 96's with higher compression at it too. Valve job and maybe a wee bit of porting?

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Suspension wise, what do you have? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 2 2008, 07:19 AM
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QUOTE(So.Cal.914 @ Mar 2 2008, 02:55 AM) *

QUOTE(sww914 @ Mar 1 2008, 09:17 PM) *

How much money do you want to spend? What else does the car have? If it has sagging 75# springs in the back I'd do something about that. If the pistons and cylinders aren't too fresh I'd throw a set of 96's with higher compression at it too. Valve job and maybe a wee bit of porting?

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Suspension wise, what do you have? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


From what I understand, the car is stock other than the engine that had some work done to it by Black Forest Racing in Fla.about 4-5 years ago.
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post Mar 2 2008, 09:28 AM
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No harm in getting lots of opinions but, as Jim D suggested, your best advice will probably come from Chris once he has looked the car over.
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post Mar 2 2008, 08:24 PM
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That's the plan, but I have to have my "list" or my wife will have to stop calling me compulsive.
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post Mar 2 2008, 09:45 PM
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Well, Chris does have quite a bit of cool stuff in his shop . . . you very well could get impulsive once you get there anyways. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Mar 2 2008, 11:07 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) how far do you want to take it. CFR does awesome fenders too.....widening that is. maybe he is up to the lambo doors too...well if you have money to spend CFR is a good place to spend it.....i know i shop there myself !!!!
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post Mar 3 2008, 10:44 AM
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Make it MassIVe :-)

Chris knows all about installing my engines....
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give it to me and you wont have any more compulsive problems (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post Apr 8 2008, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(Rleog @ Mar 2 2008, 11:28 AM) *

No harm in getting lots of opinions but, as Jim D suggested, your best advice will probably come from Chris once he has looked the car over.

It's amazing what you find wrong with these cars when you go looking. Some of the work done in the past left a lot to be desired for sure. The previous owners and shops who serviced this car were guilty of very poor workmanship/maintenance.
Whoever "upgraded" the engine to a 2056 got a piece of the tin caught between the cylinder and crankcase, causing the large oil leak that began our involvement with the car.
Someone installed new floor insulation in the passenger compartment, right over the original sound deadening panels without even cleaning off the dirt and loose crap. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)
The latest item Ed found today is that the shift linkage was operated without a cup bushing for many, many miles. The shift coupler is worn so thin that there is a pinhole through the side. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
The engine is back in the car as of today, and we are finally nearing completion of the project.


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post Apr 8 2008, 05:31 PM
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All this begs a good theoretical question-
Chris, If someone came to you and said, "I have a decent 914 and $3000, how do I make it better?"
What is your answer?
Suspension?
Brakes?
Engine (of course we ALL want a MasIVe, but that is whyI set the cost figure that challenges that choice)?
Exhaust?
Cooling?

I'm picking your brain for the experience you have, but I guess this would be a road car, not track. I have my opinions too, of course. I would go for trans rebuild first then Mallory and SSI/ tangerine and koni and Kumho (or better) and all bushings and a dead pedal. I think there might be money left for one tank of gas!
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post Apr 8 2008, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(SGB @ Apr 8 2008, 07:31 PM) *

All this begs a good theoretical question-
Chris, If someone came to you and said, "I have a decent 914 and $3000, how do I make it better?"
What is your answer?
Suspension?
Brakes?
Engine (of course we ALL want a MasIVe, but that is whyI set the cost figure that challenges that choice)?
Exhaust?
Cooling?


Its tough to answer that on a purely theoretical basis due to the variables of specific condition of the vehicle and what is "better" in the eyes of the owner.
Does the owner want the car to handle better, look better, sound better, or just accelerate better?
Lets assume that NO needed repairs are discovered when the car is in the shop, and that the car is a mostly stock 2 liter -4.
Taking each of your categories in order, the things I would consider important to upgrade are: Suspension - adjustable front anti-sway bar and bigger rear springs, along with Bilstein or Koni shocks (choice depends on customer preference); Brakes - you don't need to spend much money to have good brakes, good pads with a high coefficient of friction and a M/C brace to prevent firewall flex; Engine - for $3K you might (barely) squeeze in a cam swap, head work and dual carbs for 20 or more hp gain; Exhaust - a Tangerine Header by itself will give approximately 9% more torque and hp nearly across the entire rpm range, and make the engine sound more like a Porsche than a VW; Cooling - the engine will run cooler with a Tangerine Header installed.
I think if you do all the installation yourself you could get the exhaust, suspension, and brake upgrades mentioned and meet the budget. Having a shop do the labor will cost about another $1K.

Another approach would be to spend the $$ for 911 front suspension and calipers, 5 lug rear hubs and good wheels/tires. Also needed would be a 19mm M/C and replace the prop valve with a tee.
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post Apr 8 2008, 06:59 PM
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Chris as long as you are here


what is the difference between today's exhaust and this?

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post Apr 8 2008, 11:28 PM
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not to interrupt this portion of the thread, but Chris is almost finished with his recussitation of my 914 and I will post pictures and a review of the surgery once it's completed. I can not thank the board enough for the CFR reccomendation and I only have extremely high praise for Chris and Ed.
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post Apr 8 2008, 11:48 PM
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You car looks good Lee. I saw it sometime after you dropped it off. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 9 2008, 06:22 AM
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QUOTE(auerbach @ Apr 8 2008, 10:28 PM) *

not to interrupt this portion of the thread, but Chris is almost finished with his recussitation of my 914 and I will post pictures and a review of the surgery once it's completed. I can not thank the board enough for the CFR reccomendation and I only have extremely high praise for Chris and Ed.


Yeah, it sounds like Chris' services were deperately needed for your car.. 914s are often "screwed up" by people that should not be working on them.

I am glad to see Chris branching out a bit to offer more services- thats befeicial to everyone.

Chris and I have chatted about him being a NW rep for our products and engine kit assemblies.. I'd think after a week of training here at Heaven Ed could be a competent assembler of MassIVe power pretty easily given his experience.

Glad ya'll hoked up..
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post Apr 9 2008, 07:02 AM
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Thanks for the great response Mr Foley! My next project is taking shape (in my mind) now...
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