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redshift
post Jan 16 2004, 07:50 AM
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Rediculous. Insane, uncalled for, nutty. $1.82 for pareeemium last night, I went numb, and forgot til just now...

$28 bucks a tank.


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post Jan 16 2004, 07:59 AM
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I'm seeing 1.93 for premium all over the place down here. Ranges for 1.83 - 1.99. No one really wants to break the $2.00 boundry around here.

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post Jan 16 2004, 08:00 AM
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What are you whining about? Here it’s around $2.80/gal. for regular. (.70/L)

Premo is over $3.00!!!
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post Jan 16 2004, 08:11 AM
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that's ok miles. WE'RE GOING TO MARS!!!

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post Jan 16 2004, 08:17 AM
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Kevin, you go to Mars.

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Oh, pack a lunch, and take whatever spare change you find on the dresser, I'm broke.


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post Jan 16 2004, 08:26 AM
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I'm so glad (sounds like a song!) the "Beaver" takes reglar. What with a 60 gal. tank & 7 miles to the gallon... you do the math (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

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post Jan 16 2004, 08:30 AM
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60x7 is... uh... 70,343.... OH MY GOD!

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post Jan 16 2004, 10:22 AM
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I did check out prices in France this week...

In Paris, 1.08 euro per liter....with the exchange rate at about .86 per euro...thats $1.26 per liter or $4.75 per gallon......yikes!!!
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post Jan 16 2004, 10:28 AM
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Everytime gas climbs,I smile as I fill the tank in my 3 banger
Geo.
$10.00 per fillup & 500 miles per tank full.
320,000 miles and still hangin in there.Hey OPEC (IMG:style_emoticons/default/finger.gif)
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post Jan 16 2004, 10:39 AM
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Get used to it. There's only a finite amount of oil - ultimately it's going to get a lot worse yet.

My next performance upgrade will most likely involve a fuel cell, or some kind of small nuclear device.
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post Jan 16 2004, 10:50 AM
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yep, when I drove to Kohn from Amsterdamn this fall it cost over $100 in gas. Driving a POS Opal that get great gas mileage too.

Gas around $1.80 for premium here.


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post Jan 16 2004, 11:52 AM
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But I thought we stole Iraq's oil. What happened to all the Iraqi oil? Oh yeah, that's right, Halliburton thinks a fair price for gasoline is $2.65.

I'm gonna buy a diesel. They won't f*ck with the supply of diesel.
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post Jan 16 2004, 12:46 PM
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What I don't understand is why the price of gas on the left coast is more expensive? WTF?
Its the same darn gas! Is there something going on here that I don't see. You fellas out there pay three prices for the same darn thing we do here in the midwest (items). Me thinks someone is getting ripped off (calif consumers).
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post Jan 16 2004, 01:00 PM
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Hi,
Adjusted for inflation we pay about the same or less for gas than we did in the 1920s. Even at $2.00 a gal. it's still a bargain. We don't want to take advantage of the Iraqi oil because then it would look like we only went there for the oil and we all know that's not true. Right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Cheers, Elliot
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post Jan 16 2004, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(Steve Thacker @ Jan 16 2004, 10:46 AM)
What I don't understand is why the price of gas on the left coast is more expensive? WTF?
Its the same darn gas! Is there something going on here that I don't see. You fellas out there pay three prices for the same darn thing we do here in the midwest (items). Me thinks someone is getting ripped off (calif consumers).

There are three reasons we pay more for gas on the left coast. No. 1 -- taxes. No. 2 -- taxes and the third reason we pay more for gas out here is -- you guessed it TAXES! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
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post Jan 16 2004, 02:04 PM
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post Jan 16 2004, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(Steve Thacker @ Jan 16 2004, 10:46 AM)
What I don't understand is why the price of gas on the left coast is more expensive? WTF?
Its the same darn gas! Is there something going on here that I don't see. You fellas out there pay three prices for the same darn thing we do here in the midwest (items). Me thinks someone is getting ripped off (calif consumers).

The problem is, it's NOT the same darn gas.

At least that's the excuse the oil companys whine about.

I drive past oil wells on my way to work. They pump the crap out of the ground here. In fact, I live near Pismo Beach - "Pismo" is a Chumash Indian word meaning: "black gooey crap the seeps up out of the ground".

And I paid $1.86 for 87 octane gasoline today.

Taxes, yeah, sure, I don't mind paying my fair share, as long as it's spent wisely and not scammed into somebody's pocket. Roads cost money. Schools cost money. Military costs money.

But California environmental regs ask for special blends. The oil companies call them "botique" blends, because they don't want to do them, and they want to make everyone think that it's a big difficult deal to provide clean fuel, low sulfer-content, etc. So they try to make it sound like Californians are a bunch of pansy crybabies, because we don't like breathing sulfuric acid like they do in Houston - after all, we're just a bunch of transplanted spoiled rich liberal snow-birds. Not tough cowboys like they got in Texas. (Houston, by the way, is now smoggier than LA - because of these env. regs). So they use this as an excuse to jack up prices, while they work to get these laws backed-out. (it's on the Guvornator's agenda, by the way - I'm really glad I don't live in LA). Especially during times of supply-constraint, because having to provide two different kinds of gasoline taxes their storage and transport capacity.

Personally - I'm willing to also pay the few extra cents for the cleaner gas, if it means my valves don't get crudded up as quickly, or my muffler doesn't rust as quickly, or the forests don't get burned away by acid rain, or my kids don't die of asthma at age 10. As long as it's not some scam to fund a new sound system for the oil company CEO's third jet.
I mean, I'm a big boy, I'm a capitalist, and I understand supply and demand and free markets. I'm willing to pay extra for a quality product.

But gouging is gouging.

Diesel prices do fluctuate, but nothing like gasoline. They're not taxed as highly, there aren't as many regs for special blends (the blends are seasonal, and pretty much universal, as I understand), and if the big oil companies wanted to put the squeeze on consumers with diesel, nearly every other company would lobby against it, because they rely on diesel for transport of goods. I wouldn't like it if EVERYBODY switched to diesel, because it's another nasty pollution problem (fine-grained ash particles) - but one that can be solved with technology. (zeolite filters).

VW makes a Diesel engine that gets 50 mpg on the highway in the Beetle, Golf, and Jetta. Unfortunately, in 2004, they're banned in California.
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post Jan 16 2004, 04:32 PM
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When I visited Amsterdam, most of Moniques family cars other than the minis were diesel. Way cheaper to run, they said.


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post Jan 16 2004, 05:43 PM
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Russian has a tremendous oil supplies. They think the stuff in siberia would account for over 50% of all the oil the world ever had.

Oil companies suck.


Maybe someday I'll put a hydrogen Plant in my 914.
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post Jan 16 2004, 06:01 PM
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FYI they lifted the ban on diesel cars in CA. My parents almost bought a TDI a few months ago. Test drove it with them. If I needed another car, I would most definately think twice about getting a VW TDI.

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