Quick question about AA pistons..., Which way does the arrow point? |
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Quick question about AA pistons..., Which way does the arrow point? |
BMXerror |
May 3 2008, 09:12 PM
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Well, anyone who's used them? Does the arrow point up or down?
Mark D. |
SLITS |
May 3 2008, 09:53 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Call the doctor .... he'll know ... available 24/7
I would hazard a guess, but I don't want to be wrong and ruin your engine. |
McMark |
May 3 2008, 09:59 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
The piston industry standard is to make a mark that points to the flywheel. Are these the pistons with the valve relief pocket? If so, the pocket does DOWN, regardless of anything else.
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BMXerror |
May 3 2008, 10:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,705 Joined: 8-April 06 From: Hesperia Ca Member No.: 5,842 |
No, they're basically 1.7 Euro stockers, but the arrow points up or down? WTF?
Mark D. |
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May 3 2008, 10:13 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Are there any other markings on the piston crowns?
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brer |
May 4 2008, 11:34 AM
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pics?
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Allan |
May 4 2008, 11:55 AM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
Look inside the pistons and see if there is a little crank looking mark. Kinda looks like a zig-zag with a straight line at one end.
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BMXerror |
May 4 2008, 12:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,705 Joined: 8-April 06 From: Hesperia Ca Member No.: 5,842 |
pics? Only the mystery arrow and a number (89.95). I'm guessing it's either weight or bore. No marks on the inside either except an AA logo cast into one side. BTW, what's the difference? Is the wrist pin hole offset or something? I'm emailing AA today, but I probably won't hear from them 'till tomorrow. Mark D. |
BMXerror |
May 4 2008, 12:26 PM
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brer |
May 4 2008, 09:18 PM
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tod914 |
May 5 2008, 01:05 AM
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Is it possible the arrows where removed and put on a 6 cyl set? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)
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hot_shoe914 |
Sep 22 2011, 03:08 PM
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hot_shoe914 |
Sep 22 2011, 03:24 PM
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on ramp passer Group: Members Posts: 3,802 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Earle, Ar. Member No.: 8,354 Region Association: None |
Here is my question. If the pushrods are on the bottom, the rockers in the middle, then the valves are up top, shouldn't the valve relief need to be up top also?
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draganc |
Sep 22 2011, 08:34 PM
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...The piston industry standard is to make a mark that points to the flywheel... Mark, can you elaborate on your comment? I was told that the arrow always points to the exhaust. How would the arrow/mark point to the fly-wheel on our engines? Not to be a smart-ass, just curious. |
Dr Evil |
Sep 22 2011, 10:02 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The arrows above point up and down. That is not the norm. The norm is fore and aft. The flywheel is on one of those points and the arrow fore or aft woudl point to the fly wheel.
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biggy72 |
Sep 23 2011, 12:17 AM
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I know the arrow always points toward the exhaust on Stihl products. That's what I have the most experience with. It may or may not be correct in this instance though.
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draganc |
Sep 23 2011, 03:47 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
The arrows above point up and down. That is not the norm. The norm is fore and aft. The flywheel is on one of those points and the arrow fore or aft woudl point to the fly wheel. doc, but wouldn't that flip the pistion by 180deg from "left" to "right" side. i.e. if my left bank points to the flywheel, i would have to flip the pisiton by 180deg on the right side in order to point to the flywheel. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) d |
Dr Evil |
Sep 23 2011, 04:12 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Yes, one would have to flip the pistons to point all in the same direction. If this conflicts with the piston pocket orientation (if there are any) then you have 4 of the same side. Not good.
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Series9 |
Sep 23 2011, 06:22 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
I'm looking forward to this answer.
I've seen arrows both flywheel and nose, but never up or down. |
r_towle |
Sep 23 2011, 06:42 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,585 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
measure the wrist pin placement to see if it is centered in the diameter of the piston.
If it is offset (somewhere around 8mm) that would be the bottom of the piston on a stock motor....and the top in a race motor...lol If they are offset, you want the rod closer to the bottom of the motor...I hope that makes sense. Makes it quieter with less piston slap when it reverses direction. Early 911 had this...then it went away..then it came back again. beetle and 356 and type 4 have the offset pins. Rich |
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