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| seanery |
 Mar 24 2004, 03:35 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey!  Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None  |
Since Rich has put a 928 motor in his car. We know that it can be done, what are your thoughts and ideas? I know the firewall will have to be moved. What else would be interesting/tough?
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| brians914 |
Mar 24 2004, 03:37 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 16-March 04 From: Minnesota Member No.: 1,805 |
A new Dodge Hemi?
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| Aaron Cox |
Mar 24 2004, 03:56 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
917 - 12 engine..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)
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| tat2dphreak |
Mar 24 2004, 04:03 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
300ZX twin turbo motor or Turbo Supra motor... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| davep |
Mar 24 2004, 04:06 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,151 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(acox914 @ Mar 24 2004, 01:56 PM) 917 - 12 engine..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) I want the 16 cyl I saw in the factory museum! That means room for 12 more cylinders than I have now. That ought to stretch the engine compartment. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| Aaron Cox |
Mar 24 2004, 04:15 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(davep @ Mar 24 2004, 03:06 PM) QUOTE(acox914 @ Mar 24 2004, 01:56 PM) 917 - 12 engine..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) I want the 16 cyl I saw in the factory museum! That means room for 12 more cylinders than I have now. That ought to stretch the engine compartment. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) i guess i could settle for a flat 8...... geez. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| seanery |
Mar 24 2004, 04:19 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
thanks for all the different ideas, but what I meant was...."what do you think be involved in making the 951 work?" LOL!
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| tat2dphreak |
Mar 24 2004, 04:20 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
pretty sure a radiator and hose will be involved... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif)
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| Andyrew |
Mar 24 2004, 05:52 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California 
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Its too big. I have considered this option as well, but the engine/trani would be hard to match with a 914 or such.. since there is a driveline involved. I have put down more negatives to this engine (high repair costs.. cost of conversion, difficulty, ext.) that it is just not worth the effort.
Andrew |
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| Dave_Darling |
Mar 24 2004, 06:20 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,991 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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Probably not much more involved in making the 951 engine work than the 928 one. Details like exhaust and intake would be additional, but that's not much compared with the major surgery on the car required to just make the sucker fit.
--DD |
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| seanery |
Mar 24 2004, 07:09 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
dave, that's pretty much the same as I thought. I'd love to have about 300 turbo charged hp back there. I bet being a turbo you could still be somewhat easy on the tranny, too.
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| Andyrew |
Mar 24 2004, 08:06 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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ya, Question about the "300hp" limit on our trani's..
Is that because, when you first put it into gear the gears have to lock, and with more than 300hp, the gears wont lock? and is that fret 1st gear? Because if it is, a turbo engine (like that of a 951 that pops the boost out at 3.5k stock and maybe 3k or so with some free flowing air) will hit its power at a higher rpm, therefore when the gear is already fully engaged. (thats assuming you're not "launching" the car at 3k, because I dont..) Andrew |
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| seanery |
Mar 24 2004, 08:07 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
that's my thought process anyway. Don't know if it's right or not. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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| Joe Bob |
Mar 24 2004, 08:14 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
There was actual THOUGHT in this process?
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| seanery |
Mar 24 2004, 08:20 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Mar 24 2004, 08:20 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,524 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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The following is meant as constructive criticism...don't flame me...I'm a stock-4 guy...but if it was me...why limit oneself to the stock engine bay?
I think we sometimes have the wrong paradigm when thinking about the 'problem'. We ponder and study how much engine we can fit into a 914... Paul W, Rick O, the Baja 914 and that guy across the pond with the white snorkel car have their perspectives right...how liittle 914 must one wrap around a fire-breathing drivetrain... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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| seanery |
Mar 24 2004, 08:22 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
I like the idea of a stock appearing 914 that will "wooooosh" by you while you go WTF was that?
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| tat2dphreak |
Mar 24 2004, 08:26 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
couldn't the rear trunk be replaced with something like a tube-frame to allow for more space? it could still "appear" stock from the outside...
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| seanery |
Mar 24 2004, 08:28 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
the tranny location is fixed (unless you want to change the wheelbase), so I don't think so.
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| tat2dphreak |
Mar 24 2004, 08:32 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
true, but I thought the 915 tranny was a little shorter... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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