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Take out my engine?, 74 2.0 wont' turn over |
papermaster |
May 12 2004, 07:59 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 22-April 04 From: Camarillo, CA Member No.: 1,961 |
Per the mechanic - states he has to remove the engine to pinpoint to the problem of
1974 2.0 L with a tune up by high performance house less than three weeks ago. Only noticed (the day before car finally died) was slight hesitation (as in sputter, and cough) when attempting to accelerate slightly. Next morning after normally warm up - drive to bank and noticed (going up small hill) car had slight hesistation (2nd gear about 35 and attempting to give gas "slightly" to speed up to 45 posted limited the car acted as though either too much air or starving for fuel. Get to bank, shut off car. Attempt to restart no joy, starter is cranking and either (guessing) no spark or fuel to turn car over. Have car towed to shop and originally told probably fuel pump or relay. Now after four days, they claim they'll need to remove the engine to fully pin point the problem. Going to do a face to face with mechanic for more info As going to ask how did they rule out the problem of relay and or fuel pump but wanted to run by the group first. Also can anyone recommend a good 914 shop in ventura county (live in Camarillo, CA - which is about 40 miles south of Santa Barbara. TIA 5/13 - Update to the above Talked to the mechanic in the shop (heavy Italian accent) and he states that the engine is getting spark and fuel. He stated it appears there is a problem with two valves being open which requires that he pull the engine so he can check the camshaft and crankshaft at a cost of $2400, but he say if we go this route, for 3K, he can rebuild my engine with a 18,000 mi warranty. Can one really get a reliable engine for 3K? Agains thanks everyone for the replies, learning a lot. |
Levi |
May 12 2004, 08:04 PM
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Lick my nuts Group: Benefactors Posts: 623 Joined: 11-March 04 Member No.: 1,783 |
Well I'm no 914 mechanic, (YET) but I have never removed a chevy engine to figure out why it wouldn't start....Sound like a load of shit to me..
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Chris H. |
May 12 2004, 08:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,031 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
That really does not sound necessary at all. Unless the engine needs to be rebuilt it should not need to be removed from the car. How is he going to pinpoint the problem with the fuel lines and battery disconnected? You should find another mechanic.
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nebreitling |
May 12 2004, 08:07 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
sounds bogus. engines are a lot easier to troubleshoot when they're in the car than when they're not. Especially ignition or FI problems, which it sounds like you've got.
fix it yourself. this board/pelican can help. you'll learn a lot, save some money, and have fun in the process. well, you'll be frustrated as hell, but it will some how seem fun after it runs again. |
seanery |
May 12 2004, 08:20 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
TRE in North Hollywood
Werks II in Burbank I know there's got to be more but I lived in South Bay area. |
ppickerell |
May 12 2004, 08:28 PM
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914 addicted Group: Members Posts: 1,679 Joined: 14-October 03 From: Pleasanton, CA. Member No.: 1,246 |
So my wife's gynecologist tells me that he can only diagnose her problem if he sleeps with her first....I don't think so.
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ppickerell |
May 12 2004, 08:32 PM
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914 addicted Group: Members Posts: 1,679 Joined: 14-October 03 From: Pleasanton, CA. Member No.: 1,246 |
Last time my teener did that to me I pulled the dizzy cap and turned the key to see if the points had spark, and then pulled an injector to see if we had fuel. You should be able to conduct these tests without pulling the motor. Regarding shops in your area, I was considering MikeZ's motor for sale and called the shop that rehabbed it and was impressed with the proprieters savvy even though I probably won't buy the motor (another story entirely). They are in Santa Barbara and Mike may be able to post contact info.
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Joe Bob |
May 12 2004, 08:49 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Schneider's in Santa Barbara is good.....
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papermaster |
May 12 2004, 09:05 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 22-April 04 From: Camarillo, CA Member No.: 1,961 |
Thanks for the replies to date - will check them out,
Does anyone know the quality of Klaus Holthaus - in Reseda CA? |
Joe Bob |
May 12 2004, 09:19 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Nope.....If you are going all the way to SmelLA....I would try TRE in North Hollywood. Dave Bozaglou. Tell him Mike Z sent ya.
He won't charge ya double....promise. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
seanery |
May 12 2004, 09:24 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
Dave's work is top notch!
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Slowpoke |
May 12 2004, 10:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 116 Joined: 1-June 03 From: Tucson, AZ Member No.: 768 |
Anything that quits after a recent tune-up, ah..... sounds like the ignition points may have closed up. Might try that first. <_<
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Brad Roberts |
May 12 2004, 10:19 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
I recall the car.. ran really nice.. Varik drove it around for awhile before you took delivery (he drove it from SF to Camarillo) I really cant think that it is anything serious. It could easily be a clogged fuel filter or a failing fuel pump.
OH.. FYI it has a Pertronix in it. No points. They rarely leave this shop with points if they came in for a tuneup. I highly suggest you take it to one of these shops mentioned in this thread. Feel free to have whomever you decide to take it too give me a call. I'll pull the invoice on the car and tell them exactly what we did to it. 650-364-6234 B |
Dead Air |
May 13 2004, 08:01 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,268 Joined: 9-May 04 From: Buffalo, NY Member No.: 2,042 |
The guy we bought our '73 said his car "just quit". Now that the thing has sat for eight plus years. we will have to pull the engine. PCA tech bulletin said injectors should be rebuilt as a matter of course. When I checked the oil it was barely touching the stick but appeared clean. Rebuilding the engine sounds like a breeze, getting the thing running sounds like another thing.
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Bleyseng |
May 13 2004, 08:06 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
When I got the 70 car, the PO said the car just quit (1983).
I dismantled the car and when taking the engine apart I found that the CHT had dead shorted against the tin. Hmmm, this is why I thought. Usually, these things are a simple fix ie a loose wire, loose hose or something like that. Geoff |
Rusty |
May 13 2004, 11:34 AM
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Wanted: Engine case GA003709 Group: Admin Posts: 7,941 Joined: 24-December 02 From: North Alabama Member No.: 6 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
QUOTE(Dave Eddy @ May 13 2004, 06:01 PM) The guy we bought our '73 said his car "just quit". Now that the thing has sat for eight plus years. we will have to pull the engine. PCA tech bulletin said injectors should be rebuilt as a matter of course. When I checked the oil it was barely touching the stick but appeared clean. Rebuilding the engine sounds like a breeze, getting the thing running sounds like another thing. Hi Dave! If I haven't said welcome, already... Welcome! Pull the engine just because it's been sitting? Sounds a bit extreme to me. Change the oil, and the fuel... and start troubleshooting from there. Most "engine won't turn over" issues are pretty basic, unless for some reason the engine is totally frozen up. -Rusty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
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