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> Koni front strut inserts, Best place to buy?
r_towle
post Apr 23 2011, 06:32 PM
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Where is the best place to buy Koni Front strut adjustable inserts?

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post Apr 23 2011, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Apr 23 2011, 07:32 PM) *

Where is the best place to buy Koni Front strut adjustable inserts?

Rich

If you are talking about single adjust koni sports, the best price used to be Shox Shop.He used to be in the 650 range for a set of four.Have not looked or priced in a long time.If you're talking double adjustables I would recommend Ground Control.JJackson
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post Apr 23 2011, 07:16 PM
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Only One Place - Paragon Products, ask for Jason, tell him I sent you.

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post Apr 23 2011, 07:29 PM
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Looks like the going rate is $152 for Koni Sport adjustable.

This place has them a buck cheaper than the Tire Rack.

http://ltbautosports.com/
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post Apr 23 2011, 07:31 PM
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Only One Place - Paragon Products, ask for Jason, tell him I sent you.

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Ummm
What is the difference between the sport and the normal ones?

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post Apr 23 2011, 07:42 PM
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The Sport Yellows have a Knob that you adiust from the Top, the Regulars you have to unload the weight to adiust them manually
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post Apr 23 2011, 07:42 PM
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Different valving. Sports are for more agressive driving.

http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/brand.jsp?brand=KONI

Click on the comparing sport vs special (red)
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post Apr 23 2011, 09:01 PM
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I have bilstiens now....not happy.
Been to harsh for street driving.

I campaigned a car for 2-3 seasons that had Koni adjustables and it was perfect....turn the knob on top with a little knob we kept in the glove box....full stiff for autox...full soft for the ride home.

Is that the Koni Sports?
We did it with weight...open the hood and turn the knob...
The thing I liked was the ride home...it was alot different from my car.

Mine, with the Bils, 23mm torsion bars...21mm antisway bar....was a bit more stiff than his....lol

I have since gone back to stock torsion bars..I still find it a bit too stiff on the street.

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post Apr 23 2011, 09:26 PM
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On Konis they all have the knob now. Sport is gas. Regular is hydraulic.
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post Apr 23 2011, 09:47 PM
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On Konis they all have the knob now. Sport is gas. Regular is hydraulic.

I checked you site..no konis...

Can you suggest a comparison between the biltsteins versus the koni?

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post Apr 23 2011, 10:00 PM
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I got the bilstein sports for my 6th 914-2 liter last summer at Mr. Shox in San Diego.

I never liked Koni and had 5 sets on 5 different cars. They were unforgiving, and I think the gas strut seems to have fast reaction times to changes in pavement.

The Bilsteins are firm without shaking out my fillings. I am 220 lbs, and the car does not go down at any corner with my full weight on the fenders.

I also got 140 Weltmeisters at the same time. I think the whole set - shocks and springs - was 500 plus shipping.

The Bilstein sports lowered the car about an inch all around. I further lowered the rear by measuring and lowering the torsion arm adjusters to 1/4"

Then I put in turbo tie rods and new balljoints and had the car aligned. I have deliberate negative camber in the rear. It drives like my old go kart around any turn.

Could not be happier. The front strut inserts are green and the rear shocks are yellow, and the springs were black, just for reference. The regular Bilsteins are not as tight.

The owner was AMAZING and nice.

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Lowered the front, not the rear. Too much Easter joy.

The torsion adjusters are on the front A Arms.

Oops!

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post Apr 23 2011, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Apr 23 2011, 08:47 PM) *

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Apr 23 2011, 11:26 PM) *

On Konis they all have the knob now. Sport is gas. Regular is hydraulic.

I checked you site..no konis...

Can you suggest a comparison between the biltsteins versus the koni?

Rich


Personally like the Koni yellows better than the Bilts as I drive to the events and like a little softer ride on the road. Plus you can then adjust due to weather conditions.

Then again, I've never tried the Biltsteins.
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post Apr 23 2011, 10:47 PM
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I just installed some red front and rear,they have rebound adjust from the top.Love them.Nice stuff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)
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post Apr 24 2011, 06:00 AM
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I think your only choice of Konis for a 914 is the yellow sport. Definetly prefer them over the Bils. Thought the Bils were too stiff. Can't speak for their newer adjustable version though. Good luck.
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post Apr 24 2011, 07:54 AM
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I think your only choice of Konis for a 914 is the yellow sport. Definetly prefer them over the Bils. Thought the Bils were too stiff. Can't speak for their newer adjustable version though. Good luck.

Have run sets of both on multiple cars.I must be crazy ,but always perferred the bilsteins on the street.BTW Koni adjustment is rebound only -and was designed to be increased to adjust for wear-did use adjustment for tuning like the rest also.
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post Apr 24 2011, 08:57 AM
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If you want correct suspension dynamics, your shock valving must be paired up based on spring rate although there is some wiggle room.
Koni reds tend to be softer and thus better for street/ax dual use on stock sprung 914s of with slightly stiffer springs like 140 rear with a 19mm front bar. anything over that should be Koni sport
Koni sport on full stiff is softer than Bilstein sport so Bilsteins would be better for say 23mm front torsions ans rears over 225lbs
10jreen runs KOni yellow adj sports with 21mm torsions, Tarett Engineering front bar, 225 rear springs and a 16mm rear sway. that combination is good for consistent top 10 finish in a field of over 100 cars ...powered by a D-Jet 2.0
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check out shox.com
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post Apr 24 2011, 09:08 AM
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Can you suggest a comparison between the biltsteins versus the koni?


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I have since gone back to stock torsion bars..I still find it a bit too stiff on the street.


Have you tried your sway bar on the outside/full soft setting? I don't think Bilsteins are making your ride stiff.

I like both. On my 911 the Koni's were the best ride out there. Stock suspension otherwise (rubber, 15mm bar, 19mm t-bars). I now have the Koni's on the 914-6/GT project and Bilsteins on the 911.

I will tell you this... the Koni's I've seen tend to have a much higher failure rate than the Bilsteins and... they're about 2x as much to get repaired. At one time I had an entire box filled with bad Koni inserts... none on the Bilsteins.

I don't show the Koni's for the 914 because my supplier doesn't show them in stock. They have them listed for 911's which leads me to believe it's a part number issue not a supply issue. I can usually price match anyone with a link.
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Eric Shea sells shocks...and threir on sale. I should have looked first

I agree with Eric. Konis have the valve at the botton. if you bottom them out they are toast. most guys go too low with their suspension and forget to install the VERY IMPORTANT bump stops

Bilstein here in Poway CA will rebuild and or custom re-valve based on spring rate. I dont recall price but I know it is very reasonable

ultimately the 10jreen will get custom valved Bilsteins but fro now that money keeps going to tire fund
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