 Tail shift Cable-shifter, Starting the finishing touches (With Video!) |
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| kevin311 |
 Nov 2 2011, 10:26 AM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 22-May 10 From: Tampa Bay Area Member No.: 11,752 Region Association: None  |
My Dad and I thought it would be a fun project to try and build a Cable shifter for my teener.
I can drive the car just fine with the regular shifter but he absolutely hates it. I cant really blame him, even after new bushings and adjustment its like playing with a stick in a sand bucket. I have seen the set-up that is on http://www.etischer.com/914cableshift.html but figured i could simplify it a bit. Heres what we have so far (please excuse the factory rustproofing (oil) still chasing leaks) and remember its still in mock up phase.. so things like where the cables attach to the transmission will be reinforced in the end. i will post more when its finished and cleaned up. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320251207.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320251208.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320251208.3.jpg) Pics of the shifter i used (3000gt) and new shift knob (3 for $5 on ebay (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) The cables aren't attached yet but this is pretty much where it will be positioned in the car. Most of the base plate will be cut off also to clean it up. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320251208.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320251209.5.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320251209.6.jpg) This will all be hidden under the center cushion(sp?) in the last pic that i will build a new base for. So far I'm about $110 into this project 8' marine Teleflex cable $30 6' Teleflex cable $27 Rod ends $25 Shifter $15 (pick and pull) misc. (bolts, clips etc.) $10 Any comments or criticism are welcome! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) |
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| BajaXJ92 |
Nov 2 2011, 10:42 AM
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Extended Member Group: Members Posts: 2,146 Joined: 20-April 06 From: Prescott, AZ Member No.: 5,895 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Very interesting! I'm curious to see how it will turn out.
I hope you don't have to dump too much more money into the project, as you could've put that money towards doing an actual side shift transmission swap, considering you can find all of the necessary parts and transmission. Keep us updated with those pics! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| kevin311 |
Nov 2 2011, 10:52 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 22-May 10 From: Tampa Bay Area Member No.: 11,752 Region Association: None |
Thanks!
All the budgeted money for this is spent and I actually ended up with a lot of extras. Even if it does't work out as planned its all reversible as we didn't modify the any of the existing shifter just bolted on a plate. In the end it's just a cool way to spend a weekend or two outside with my dad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| smontanaro |
Nov 2 2011, 10:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 3-June 05 From: Evanston, IL Member No.: 4,197 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
> In the end it's just a cool way to spend a weekend or two outside with my dad.
As they say in the commercial, "priceless". Probably more fun than a side-shift conversion to boot. |
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| andys |
Nov 2 2011, 12:08 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None 
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Kevin,
Good that you protoyped first. There's lots to be learned from that. You might consider a bellcrank and short link to translate the movement so that you can use a straight cable rather than that long looping one. Take a look at how the Boxster cable linkage is done as an example. Andys |
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| DBCooper |
Nov 2 2011, 12:30 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
Your Dad's right, and I personally don't even like side-shifters. Actually if you come up with a good solution I think you'll see that the line to copy it will stretch around the block. Side-shifter transmissions and their components are more and more scarce, while tailshifters are easy to find and almost throwaway items. For a cable mechanism there's almost no difference between the two, and the tail-shifter is probably even easier. I'm betting you'll see a lot of interest in this thread, but most important, have fun!
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| pcar916 |
Nov 2 2011, 01:34 PM
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Is that a Lola? Group: Members Posts: 1,523 Joined: 2-June 05 From: Little Rock, AR Member No.: 4,188 Region Association: None
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Interesting. I'm about to do this for a 915 I'm slowly converting for my 914. I agree about a bellcrank to get both cables parallel to each other... shorter and away from the exhaust heat.
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| Ductech |
Nov 2 2011, 02:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 356 Joined: 16-July 10 From: AridZona Member No.: 11,949 Region Association: Southwest Region |
The best bit of info for me really is the knowledge of yet another oem cable shifted car (the 3000gt) to scavenge parts off of at the local junk yard. Good work and keep up the fabing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif)
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| kevin311 |
Nov 2 2011, 03:03 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 22-May 10 From: Tampa Bay Area Member No.: 11,752 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Thanks everybody.
I like the idea of the bellcrank I may go that route if my idea for cable routing doesn't work out. Im trying to keep the least amount of connection points possible. I researched alot of cars that have cable shifters, the 3000gt/stealth shifters had the right cable movement. Most mitsubishi Eclipses have a similar shifter thats actually more compact than the one i have. Most FWD 5 speed (accords, civics, jettas,etc.) cars have a cable shifter, it's just a matter of finding one that moves in the correct directions for your needs. Thanks for all the feedback! Kevin |
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| davidj |
Nov 2 2011, 04:22 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: 19-November 08 From: Ventura, Ca Member No.: 9,771 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(kevin311 @ Nov 2 2011, 09:52 AM)  Thanks! All the budgeted money for this is spent and I actually ended up with a lot of extras. Even if it does't work out as planned its all reversible as we didn't modify the any of the existing shifter just bolted on a plate. In the end it's just a cool way to spend a weekend or two outside with my dad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Im also interested in how this comes out. keep up the good work! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
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| strawman |
Nov 2 2011, 09:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 25-January 08 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 8,624 Region Association: Central California
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Great mock-up. I built a cable shifter for my Suby-powered 914, although I'm using a "tailshift" Subaru transaxle converted to 2wd. I used the same size cables for my mock-up, but -- based on how it feels (car is still not running) -- I believe they'll be too flimsy for actual use. So I'm planning on going to a heavier-duty cables after I finally get it running. Nonetheless, I'm interested in hearing your experience with this cable set-up when you get it all together.
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| kevin311 |
Nov 8 2011, 02:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 22-May 10 From: Tampa Bay Area Member No.: 11,752 Region Association: None |
A little progress on the shifter,
I got the cables routed and connected them to the shifter and made a new bottom piece for my center cushion to clear the cables. I also finished off the shift knob. The shifter is still not mounted to the floor but I can shift through the gears nicely already. It feels smooth but notchy. I can't wait to drive it. All thats left is to clean everything up, reinforce the linkage at the transmission, mount the shifter, and buy a shift boot. My plan for the hole in the carpet from the original shifter is to make a cup holder that mounts there. When I saw this video on youtube the whole cable-shift idea made sense, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncmaxYd1WNI Thanks to DBCooper! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320782857.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320782857.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320782858.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320782858.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i694.photobucket.com-11752-1320782859.5.jpg) |
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| andys |
Nov 8 2011, 02:46 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(kevin311 @ Nov 8 2011, 01:07 PM) A little progress on the shifter, I got the cables routed and connected them to the shifter and made a new bottom piece for my center cushion to clear the cables. I also finished off the shift knob. The shifter is still not mounted to the floor but I can shift through the gears nicely already. It feels smooth but notchy. I can't wait to drive it. All thats left is to clean everything up, reinforce the linkage at the transmission, mount the shifter, and buy a shift boot. My plan for the hole in the carpet from the original shifter is to make a cup holder that mounts there. When I saw this video on youtube the whole cable-shift idea made sense, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncmaxYd1WNI Thanks to DBCooper! If I may make one suggestion; on the transaxle, the transverse cable (I'm going to assume that's the gate) would best if it were on center with the shift shaft. That would help keep it's action normal to the shaft, and minimize the tendancy of odd feedback to the shit lever in the cabin. Notice they did that on the vid you referenced. Below is my linkage (different trans of course), though I had to reverse the gate with the bellcrank. Your progress looks good. Andys Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| Spoke |
Nov 8 2011, 08:17 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,991 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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Nice job.
Keep up the good work. |
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| kevin311 |
Nov 14 2011, 06:17 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 22-May 10 From: Tampa Bay Area Member No.: 11,752 Region Association: None |
Just a couple of (phone quality) videos of the progress on the shifter (please remember it's still in the rough phase).
I was able to drive it down through my neighborhood today and it feels nice and solid. Now its just a matter of making it look pretty and welding some tabs for the shifter plate in the car (instead of the bolts) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjwAOJYZgZs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xux6fxTgkZ0 A couple of people so far have suggested to keep the cables parallel and use a bellcrank. What are the advantages of that setup and what disadvantages would my setup have? In my head I wanted the least connection points possible to reduce the number of possible "slop inducers". Thanks again for all the great comments and suggestions! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Kevin |
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| jimkelly |
Nov 15 2011, 06:14 AM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
i don't see no slop there : )
looks like job well done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif) |
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| zymurgist |
Nov 15 2011, 03:12 PM
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"Ace" Mechanic Group: Members Posts: 7,411 Joined: 9-June 05 From: Hagerstown, MD Member No.: 4,238 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(jimkelly @ Nov 15 2011, 07:14 AM) i don't see no slop there : ) looks like job well done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
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| kevin311 |
Nov 15 2011, 04:19 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 22-May 10 From: Tampa Bay Area Member No.: 11,752 Region Association: None |
Thanks guys! I've been driving it around all day and it feels like a different car now. Its awesome! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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| broomhandle |
Nov 15 2011, 04:42 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 290 Joined: 26-June 09 From: Half Moon Bay, CA Member No.: 10,512 Region Association: Northern California |
that is way cool.... the side shift is no better than the tail, they both suck. 915 is a better trans. What you did is great with what you have.... awesome! good job!
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| Kansas 914 |
Nov 15 2011, 04:45 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,999 Joined: 1-March 03 From: Durango, Colorado Member No.: 373 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(kevin311 @ Nov 2 2011, 10:26 AM) So far I'm about $110 into this project 8' marine Teleflex cable $30 6' Teleflex cable $27 Rod ends $25 Shifter $15 (pick and pull) misc. (bolts, clips etc.) $10 Any comments or criticism are welcome! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Well done! I will give you $220 for the whole setup - double your money just like that!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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