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rwilner
post Feb 22 2012, 10:33 AM
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I replaced the tungsten sealed-beams with the Hella H4s that take bulbs. The bulbs that came with the lenses aren't too impressive.

What are the best bulbs (and wattage) people run with these lenses using stock wiring and relays?
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post Feb 22 2012, 12:15 PM
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Best to get the HP headlight relay kit & upgrade to 80/100w bulbs.

55/65w is the best you can do with stock wiring & relays, so the $25+/- spent for the relay kit is worth it.

I did it on our 88 Westy Vanagon & it made a huge difference - wished I'd done it 24 years ago when new! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Feb 22 2012, 02:04 PM
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agreed - got em on my sixer for many yrs

- they will turn night into day as the ads say

you can't run that wattage thru the stock headlite switch, so you must get the relays

concours judges don't like them tho - "non-oem" as it were


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Best to get the HP headlight relay kit & upgrade to 80/100w bulbs.

so the $25+/- spent for the relay kit is worth it.

I did it on our 88 Westy Vanagon & it made a huge difference - wished I'd done it 24 years ago when new! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Feb 22 2012, 02:06 PM
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Are we talking the same set up that people do on the early 911?
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post Feb 22 2012, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(rwilner @ Feb 22 2012, 11:33 AM) *

I replaced the tungsten sealed-beams with the Hella H4s that take bulbs. The bulbs that came with the lenses aren't too impressive.

What are the best bulbs (and wattage) people run with these lenses using stock wiring and relays?

If you want impressive, you need to get an HID kit, it fits into the H4 housing, they are cheap, and they use the stock wiring. I keep them on all the time day and night. I would never go back

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post Feb 22 2012, 02:24 PM
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HP headlight relay kit


I am googling this but more info please if you have it. I found a relay upgrade kit at busdepot...is this the same thing?
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post Feb 22 2012, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(rwilner @ Feb 22 2012, 11:33 AM) *

I replaced the tungsten sealed-beams with the Hella H4s that take bulbs. The bulbs that came with the lenses aren't too impressive.

What are the best bulbs (and wattage) people run with these lenses using stock wiring and relays?

If you want impressive, you need to get an HID kit, it fits into the H4 housing, they are cheap, and they use the stock wiring. I keep them on all the time day and night. I would never go back

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post Feb 22 2012, 02:46 PM
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Who has the HID kits?
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post Feb 22 2012, 04:47 PM
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"If you want impressive, you need to get an HID kit, it fits into the H4 housing, they are cheap, and they use the stock wiring. I keep them on all the time day and night. I would never go back"

Yeah, but do you get a true low beam AND high beam? I got a kit for my Audi a few years back and it said it included high beam but it was marginally better at best. What about blinding others, did you point your lights down or do you blind people and say 'tough luck'. Is there some kind of beam cut-off for non-HID engineered headlights?
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post Feb 22 2012, 05:22 PM
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Who has the HID kits?


Pelican Parts sells them...
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post Feb 23 2012, 12:45 AM
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Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bu...onversions.html

Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays. Everything I read about HID in a non-HID lamp is bad news.
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post Feb 23 2012, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(RickS @ Feb 23 2012, 01:45 AM) *

Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...


They sell a dual-filament kit that gives you both high and low beam. This will retrofit into H4 lenses, which are purchased separately from the kit. The lens/HID package is around $300.

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Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays.


me too. do you have a relay selected and a source? is a kit available?
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post Feb 23 2012, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(RickS @ Feb 22 2012, 10:45 PM) *

Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bu...onversions.html

Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays. Everything I read about HID in a non-HID lamp is bad news.


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Too many people out there "upgrade" lighting without regard to the rest of the people out on the road.

Jim
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post Feb 23 2012, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(rwilner @ Feb 23 2012, 07:58 AM) *

QUOTE(RickS @ Feb 23 2012, 01:45 AM) *

Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...


They sell a dual-filament kit that gives you both high and low beam. This will retrofit into H4 lenses, which are purchased separately from the kit. The lens/HID package is around $300.

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Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays.


me too. do you have a relay selected and a source? is a kit available?

I am thinking this can be probably be modified to work: http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/smart/...%2D%38%39%29%20
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post Feb 23 2012, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(jcd914 @ Feb 23 2012, 08:26 AM) *

QUOTE(RickS @ Feb 22 2012, 10:45 PM) *

Reading on the pelican site, it appears you will only get low beam...

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bu...onversions.html

Think I will go with 85/100 h4 bulbs and relays. Everything I read about HID in a non-HID lamp is bad news.


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Too many people out there "upgrade" lighting without regard to the rest of the people out on the road.

Jim


I drive a fairly tall vehicle most of the time (Honda Element) and I am constantly blinded by improperly aimed headlights. It is FAR more about the aiming than the wattage when it comes to blinding your fellow travelers. I also bought blue tinted lamps for the Element. After being blinded, I find that I focus back on the road much more quickly with the blue tint and my eye doctor says that it is common to be able to do that especially with aging (46 year old) eyes.
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post Feb 23 2012, 12:12 PM
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I am googling this but more info please if you have it. I found a relay upgrade kit at busdepot...is this the same thing?


It appears Tom did a "hit-n-run" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I'm guessing HP just means high powered?
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post Feb 23 2012, 12:35 PM
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They have a pre-fab relay kit here

http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=1247

Obviously you would need ot extend the main power lead, but the rest is plug & play
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post Feb 23 2012, 01:36 PM
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same here: http://www.streetsideauto.com/p/painless-wiring-30815/
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post Feb 23 2012, 01:38 PM
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These relays are located by the lights?

The Bus Depot stuff is 1/2 the price. I'd be concerned with how it ties in with the stock plugs (blig plastic shielded boxes).

All doable though...
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post Feb 23 2012, 01:52 PM
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I think these kits are meant to be near the headlights, as I am sure they were made on front engined/front battery cars.
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