Found a good donor for a 6, I need some advice though... Options

[tscrihfield]

So, I have lived about a quarter mile away from a 74 911T for 5 years and never knew it. It has a 2.7 in it and CIS. The car is a lost cause, but complete with engine trans. It has sat for a few years outside but the engine still turns over. Really all I'm after is the engine in it if it is a good buy. It does have a nice set of Fuchs on it...

What are all of your thoughts of its worth? I will most likely buy the whole car and sell everything minus the engine.

[GeorgeRud]

When I did my conversion, I used a rusted 75 Targa for a donor. I'd be sure to keep the engine, transmission, half shafts, front struts (or entire front suspension system). I'd also keep the shift mechanism, pedal cluster, and all the gauges. Depending how involved you want to get into the conversion, you may need more of these than you might think. Even the rear hubs may be helpful if/when you go to a five-lug wheel conversion.

When you're done with your conversion, you can always sell the extra parts on eBay or on the classifieds here or on the Birdboards!

[tscrihfield]

When I did my conversion, I used a rusted 75 Targa for a donor. I'd be sure to keep the engine, transmission, half shafts, front struts (or entire front suspension system). I'd also keep the shift mechanism, pedal cluster, and all the gauges. Depending how involved you want to get into the conversion, you may need more of these than you might think. Even the rear hubs may be helpful if/when you go to a five-lug wheel conversion.

When you're done with your conversion, you can always sell the extra parts on eBay or on the classifieds here or on the Birdboards!

That's definately the plan, but any clue on what I should pay for the car? Actual value. I don't want to rob the guy he seems to be a nice fellow but I also don't want to give money away. I honestly have no clue on the worth...

Thomas

[rfuerst911sc]

I'd offer 1500.00

[tscrihfield]

I'd offer 1500.00

I just got off the phone with a buddy... Dave Concklin who said the exact same thing!

Thanks,
Thomas

[pcar916]

What kind of mileage is on that powertrain? I had a carburated 2.7L, also from a '75 car, in my 914 when I bought it. It was excellent, but the PO had had the engine totally bulletproofed (via the Bruce Andersen "E" specs in his book. That included better head studs/timecerts, head work, cams, a larger oil pump and even the shuffle-pins one really doesn't need as much as once was thought.

I loved that engine and traded it (along with some cash in his general direction) for the current 3.6 to friend of mine, at his request, when he wanted it for his track 911 built to class rules.

I've built several since then and here's my take. It's a fine engine when rebuilt around it's faults. It's on the outside of what it's magnesium case can handle so time-certs and deleting the dilivar studs are a requirement. Unless you know exactly what engine work has been done I would go for a 3.0, 3.2, or, if your budget can do it, a 3.6 liter engine every time.

A rebuild on the 2.7 including the machine work needed to insure that the case-halves go together and the bearing journals are right and with all of the shop work you'll need, it's as much or more $ to build as a 3.0 or a 3.2 liter engine... and it won't last as many miles until the next rebuild as the later engines will. I'd get a newer one but it'll be a fun machine any way you cut it.

You'll get a lot of miles from the other parts on the car no matter what you do just for conversion goodies if they're in good shape.

If the engine is a core, I'd offer him $1000-$1500 based on the restoration costs. Redoing one of those drivetrains is very expensive. You can use the front struts, the transaxle flanges, stub axles, and rear rotors to do your 100mm CV and 5-lug conversion regardless of the engine transplant.

Good luck

[tscrihfield]

Thanks for the info Pcar!

I am trying to keep the engine at 2.7 or smaller for the class I'd run in. Preferably build a 2.5 out of it. A friend has a 2.5 that makes great power. If the plan works out I'd like to try it, but we will see.

Thanks again,
Thomas

[pcar916]

Not all '75's were weak. If you can find a good aluminum 2.4 (like from an early '75 or a '74... can't remember which) and build it up then that'll be a stronger package. The other car will be good for the rest of those conversion bits though, if they're salvageable, including (as stated above) the instrumentation.

[brant]

there aren't any aluminum (original) 2.4 motors..
they quit doing aluminum blocks in 1968
so 69-77 are all magnesium



there are 2 different ways to build a 2.5
one is a short stroke motor, the other a big bore on a 2.4(long stroke)
rebuilding any motor is pricey
so rebuilding the 2.7 is not going to be cheap. The Mag cased motors probably cost the most to rebuild due to the machine work. and is one of the reasons reasons that people go 3.0 or bigger

[sixnotfour]

In 74 there was a 911 and a 911S.. one has bigger ports and cams and aluminum brake calipers. The 911 has 911T front brakes and previous mentioned less power motor.

[carr914]

there aren't any aluminum (original) 2.4 motors..
they quit doing aluminum blocks in 1968
so 69-77 are all magnesium



there are 2 different ways to build a 2.5
one is a short stroke motor, the other a big bore on a 2.4(long stroke)
rebuilding any motor is pricey
so rebuilding the 2.7 is not going to be cheap. The Mag cased motors probably cost the most to rebuild due to the machine work. and is one of the reasons reasons that people go 3.0 or bigger

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If you're going Racing start with an Aluminum Case - Heavier but Stronger. Magnesium gets brittle as it ages. Good for a Street Car, Bad for Racing!

[Randal]

What kind of mileage is on that powertrain? I had a carburated 2.7L, also from a '75 car, in my 914 when I bought it. It was excellent, but the PO had had the engine totally bulletproofed (via the Bruce Andersen "E" specs in his book. That included better head studs/timecerts, head work, cams, a larger oil pump and even the shuffle-pins one really doesn't need as much as once was thought.

I loved that engine and traded it (along with some cash in his general direction) for the current 3.6 to friend of mine, at his request, when he wanted it for his track 911 built to class rules.

I've built several since then and here's my take. It's a fine engine when rebuilt around it's faults. It's on the outside of what it's magnesium case can handle so time-certs and deleting the dilivar studs are a requirement. Unless you know exactly what engine work has been done I would go for a 3.0, 3.2, or, if your budget can do it, a 3.6 liter engine every time.

A rebuild on the 2.7 including the machine work needed to insure that the case-halves go together and the bearing journals are right and with all of the shop work you'll need, it's as much or more $ to build as a 3.0 or a 3.2 liter engine... and it won't last as many miles until the next rebuild as the later engines will. I'd get a newer one but it'll be a fun machine any way you cut it.

You'll get a lot of miles from the other parts on the car no matter what you do just for conversion goodies if they're in good shape.

If the engine is a core, I'd offer him $1000-$1500 based on the restoration costs. Redoing one of those drivetrains is very expensive. You can use the front struts, the transaxle flanges, stub axles, and rear rotors to do your 100mm CV and 5-lug conversion regardless of the engine transplant.

Good luck

+ 1 on a 3.6.

Once installed they will last forever and need about zero maintenance. And with 300HP they are just stunningly fast.

I also love 2.7, after all the mods have been done. They just scream, but once you drive a 3.6 in the same car there is no comparison. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[pcar916]

... there aren't any aluminum (original) 2.4 motors...

I stand corrected, thanks Brant. (reminder to self, RTFM history before answering stuff on the fly). All else is correct, stick with aluminum engine cases. You'll be far a happier camper. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Van914]

Thomas,
Buy it for $1,500.
You will not be sorry.
Van914

[tscrihfield]

Thomas,
Buy it for $1,500.
You will not be sorry.
Van914

I talked with guy. I'm picking it up Saturday and will commence to stripping it over the next few weeks. I will respond to all of the PMs about parts when I get a grasp on what is there.

Thanks,
Thomas

[914itis]

Can I send back the boxter wheels in exchange for the fuchs? Lol

[tscrihfield]

Can I send back the boxter wheels in exchange for the fuchs? Lol

Hehe! Unfortunately don't have a use for them, but I could make you a deal? Are you interested?

Thomas

[bigkensteele]

Thomas,
Buy it for $1,500.
You will not be sorry.
Van914

I talked with guy. I'm picking it up Saturday and will commence to stripping it over the next few weeks. I will respond to all of the PMs about parts when I get a grasp on what is there.

Thanks,
Thomas

Let me know if you want some company when you strip it down. I might be able to find some time.

[sixnotfour]

Bright trim and swing out windows.......good $$$

[tscrihfield]

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Well.... This is it. We will see how it goes....

Thomas