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| bradtho |
 Apr 8 2013, 11:37 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 266 Joined: 22-December 09 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 11,165 Region Association: None  |
I hope to switch to a 6 in the not too distant future so am thinking about installing the motor mount while I'm doing some body & paint work this year. Yeah, classic "while I'm in there" syndrome. So...
For those of you who have used both, does the weld in PMS mount transmit more vibration than the RJ style? I like the design of the PMS a lot, but this is a street car and I want my wife to like riding in the car. doesn't seem to have much rubber in there to isolate the engine from the body. Will either mount get in the way of a normal 4 setup, while I wait for the motor swap? seems like the Patrick mount is less likely to get in the way of anything. I'm assuming no issues with running heat exchangers on either mount, right? |
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| phillstek |
Apr 9 2013, 07:17 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 350 Joined: 19-May 10 From: Byron Bay, Australia Member No.: 11,741 Region Association: None |
I am using the Patrick "bolt-in" version and yes there is a slight increase in engine vibration and engine sound is also more noticeable. I was using their "Quick 6" bar with sport mounts and solid mounts on the rear. Now using Wevo blue mounts on the rear.
The vibration is only slight and very brief at low revs under full throttle load. The sound could be dampened with the appropriate deadening material. Attached image(s)  
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| JmuRiz |
Apr 9 2013, 08:11 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,567 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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I haven't installed mine yet, or ridden in one with either....BUT I only got the RJ mount because I got a killer deal on one for sale. I really like the Patrick Motorsports mount and would have got that if the prices I could get them for were equal.
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| Luke M |
Apr 9 2013, 08:39 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: WNY Member No.: 3,574 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(JmuRiz @ Apr 9 2013, 07:11 AM)  I haven't installed mine yet, or ridden in one with either....BUT I only got the RJ mount because I got a killer deal on one for sale. I really like the Patrick Motorsports mount and would have got that if the prices I could get them for were equal. I recall selling you that mount... now put it to use (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) My brothers 6 conv it's also getting the RJ mount. I like it over the PMS mount because I feel it also stiffens the lower fire wall. |
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| JmuRiz |
Apr 9 2013, 08:44 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,567 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Oh it'll get used....car's at ScottyB's getting all done-up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| SLITS |
Apr 9 2013, 09:05 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
I use the RJ mount in the 3 cars I have built. It does not transmit any more noise thru the body as the engine is isolated on 911 rubber mounts.
The engine itself is louder than a 4 cylinder. I looked at Jim Lamonica's Six and his is quiet because: 1.) He used a 3.6 with hydraulic lifters. 2.) He added sound deadening to the back of the back pad. 3.) He used double the thickness back glass. I don't like Patricks' mount as it interferes with the heat exchangers regardless of what they may say though I admit I only had experience with one car with the Patrick mount. It does have its' advantages. That's all! |
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| a914dude |
Apr 9 2013, 09:07 AM
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Wanker Group: Members Posts: 247 Joined: 18-September 10 From: Saskatoon Member No.: 12,191 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Ask Iverson about his Patrick mount......
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| bradtho |
Apr 9 2013, 04:38 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 266 Joined: 22-December 09 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 11,165 Region Association: None |
No one has experience comparing the 2 for vibration?
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| Dave_Darling |
Apr 9 2013, 06:15 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,161 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(a914dude @ Apr 9 2013, 08:07 AM) Ask Iverson about his Patrick mount...... I believe that was a different style of mount from the ones being discussed here. That was the "Quick Six" type that has a single bar going between the -4 motor mount pods, not the weld-in types that were first asked about. But yeah, they did not exactly cover themselves in glory with that incident. --DD |
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| naro914 |
Apr 9 2013, 09:12 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
I have a mount that a fabricator friend of mine is selling on each of our cars. He took the Patrick design and improved on it. He's a fabricator for Ganassi racing, so I'm thinking he knows what he's doing...oh, and he's done all the fabrication work on our cars .... and builds roll cages...and....
I can post pics and info if you like... |
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| Mark Henry |
Apr 10 2013, 08:17 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(naro914 @ Apr 9 2013, 11:12 PM) I have a mount that a fabricator friend of mine is selling on each of our cars. He took the Patrick design and improved on it. He's a fabricator for Ganassi racing, so I'm thinking he knows what he's doing...oh, and he's done all the fabrication work on our cars .... and builds roll cages...and.... I can post pics and info if you like... I'd like to see the pics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The thing I don't like about the patrick mount is if a bolt were to break there is no back-up to the design, seems like a simple lip welded to the tube mount area would catch the bar in the (however unlikely) case of a bolt failure. |
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| Elliot Cannon |
Apr 10 2013, 09:24 AM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None 
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Apr 9 2013, 05:15 PM) QUOTE(a914dude @ Apr 9 2013, 08:07 AM) Ask Iverson about his Patrick mount...... I believe that was a different style of mount from the ones being discussed here. That was the "Quick Six" type that has a single bar going between the -4 motor mount pods, not the weld-in types that were first asked about. But yeah, they did not exactly cover themselves in glory with that incident. --DD Is Iversons experience a secret? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) So, what happened to Iversons Patrick mount? Was it so horrendous, no one wants to share it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
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| Elliot Cannon |
Apr 10 2013, 09:25 AM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(naro914 @ Apr 9 2013, 08:12 PM) I have a mount that a fabricator friend of mine is selling on each of our cars. He took the Patrick design and improved on it. He's a fabricator for Ganassi racing, so I'm thinking he knows what he's doing...oh, and he's done all the fabrication work on our cars .... and builds roll cages...and.... I can post pics and info if you like... If you have pics, I would love to see them. Thanks. |
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| carr914 |
Apr 10 2013, 09:58 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 124,877 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Apr 10 2013, 11:24 AM) QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Apr 9 2013, 05:15 PM) QUOTE(a914dude @ Apr 9 2013, 08:07 AM) Ask Iverson about his Patrick mount...... I believe that was a different style of mount from the ones being discussed here. That was the "Quick Six" type that has a single bar going between the -4 motor mount pods, not the weld-in types that were first asked about. But yeah, they did not exactly cover themselves in glory with that incident. --DD Is Iversons experience a secret? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) So, what happened to Iversons Patrick mount? Was it so horrendous, no one wants to share it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Elliot, this was a Long Time ago & Rico is just stirring up Shit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) The Patrick Mount that he is talking about is Not the Current Mount that Patrick offers. It was the Chrome Moly Bar that attached to the -4 Mounting Areas and held the -6 Engine. Iverson's Broke at the Weld between the Bar & the Engine Mount Plate and I believe his engine dropped. I don't remember the whole story, but there might have been an re-weld at that point that contributed to the problem. I used that Chrome Moly Mount in a Race Car with no problems as did many others. John Forbes, who has probably built as many 914-6 Conversion Race Cars always used this mount. As in any product, there is a potential for a Problem, but I have found Patrick Products to be well made. The Nice thing about his new mount is that it can swivel the motor down in order to do Valve Adjustments (particulilary hard on a Twin-Plug motor) |
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| brant |
Apr 10 2013, 03:59 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,949 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Apr 10 2013, 09:58 AM) QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Apr 10 2013, 11:24 AM) QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Apr 9 2013, 05:15 PM) QUOTE(a914dude @ Apr 9 2013, 08:07 AM) Ask Iverson about his Patrick mount...... I believe that was a different style of mount from the ones being discussed here. That was the "Quick Six" type that has a single bar going between the -4 motor mount pods, not the weld-in types that were first asked about. But yeah, they did not exactly cover themselves in glory with that incident. --DD Is Iversons experience a secret? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) So, what happened to Iversons Patrick mount? Was it so horrendous, no one wants to share it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Elliot, this was a Long Time ago & Rico is just stirring up Shit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) The Patrick Mount that he is talking about is Not the Current Mount that Patrick offers. It was the Chrome Moly Bar that attached to the -4 Mounting Areas and held the -6 Engine. Iverson's Broke at the Weld between the Bar & the Engine Mount Plate and I believe his engine dropped. I don't remember the whole story, but there might have been an re-weld at that point that contributed to the problem. I used that Chrome Moly Mount in a Race Car with no problems as did many others. John Forbes, who has probably built as many 914-6 Conversion Race Cars always used this mount. As in any product, there is a potential for a Problem, but I have found Patrick Products to be well made. The Nice thing about his new mount is that it can swivel the motor down in order to do Valve Adjustments (particulilary hard on a Twin-Plug motor) yes to all of the above... and beyond valve adjustment... I've replaced broken rocker shafts at the track because of the patrick mount.... in-between track sessions without missing a race. |
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| naro914 |
Apr 11 2013, 04:19 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
It's a weld in mount (sorry if I forgot to mention that)
Pictures are from Papa Smurfs install...       |
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| Dave_Darling |
Apr 11 2013, 06:10 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,161 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Apr 10 2013, 08:24 AM) Is Iversons experience a secret? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) So, what happened to Iversons Patrick mount? Was it so horrendous, no one wants to share it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Long story short, it broke. They said, "Gee that's too bad. You can buy a new one at full price, though." I don't really like "quick six" mount setups... That's probably one reason why. --DD |
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| MikeSpraggi |
Apr 12 2013, 05:05 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 781 Joined: 7-February 05 From: Silver Spring, Md Member No.: 3,570 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I really like the Patrick mount. Have had the engine out many times trying to sort the new track car out ... well at least the wrenches working on the engine have had it out many times. They say it's really easy to work with once you get used to it. I've heard about repairs being made at the track with these mounts making things a lot easier.
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