MS guru's! What MS for a /6 turbo?, researching and deciding on a system, bit OT, it's for a 930 Options

[Mark Henry]

Researching a FI system for a buddies late model 930, not much more than a low mile stock 3.4 engine with cams and a bit beefier snail.

I have another bud with a totally gonzo 930 with SDS, that car is a rocket (450+hp, extreme heads, paulter rods...etc.) and the SDS runs flawless on it, so SDS is in the running......But this guy has a clewette/electomotive crankfire (missing tooth) dual plug coilpack system already, so MS is a definite candidate as well.

So what would be the best system that uses (ties into) the existing ignition?
I can solder or would a finished system (like MS3 pro) be better?

I know many of you have gone this route so I'm hoping to pick some brains. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[McMark]

I got MSIII.

[RonW]

ms3 or microsquirt

[McMark]

MicroSquirt won't handle ignition on a six if he ever wants to go there.

[iamchappy]

Im old school running a 86 Ruf CIS euro 930 fuel head, twin plug, msd ignition, with extra fuel enrichment via a 7th injector run off an rpm module. Not rocket science but works surprisingly well.

Getting into an EFI system costs $ and takes time to dial in but is the ultimate solution, electromotive or any of the new ignition systems are good.

[Mark Henry]

Im old school running a 86 Ruf CIS euro 930 fuel head, twin plug, msd ignition, with extra fuel enrichment via a 7th injector run off an rpm module. Not rocket science but works surprisingly well.

Getting into an EFI system costs $ and takes time to dial in but is the ultimate solution, electromotive or any of the new ignition systems are good.

I believe that's close to what he's running now except he's using the electromotive cranktrigger and their GM style coilpacks.

[Mark Henry]

MicroSquirt won't handle ignition on a six if he ever wants to go there.

Must run the existing electromotive set-up or some type of crankfire, definitely wants to be able to retard ignition, etc. under boost.

[Mark Henry]

So what I'm reading is the build time on an ECU is about a day?


So before I start making up a list is this all I need for the MS3 ECU?

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/megasqu...case-p-419.html

It describing this as a "daughter board" so is there also a "mother board" I need to buy?
This confusion of too many options is one of the only things that's kept me away from MS

I see the expander board as well and I know there's a list of other bits needed, that's not what I'm talking about right now.
Just the complete ECU then I'll post a complete other parts list.

Thanks

[rick 918-S]

So what I'm reading is the build time on an ECU is about a day?


So before I start making up a list is this all I need for the ECU?

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/megasqu...case-p-419.html

It describing this as a "daughter board" so is there also a "mother board" I need to buy?
This confusion of too many options is one of the only things that's kept me away from MS

I see the expander board as well and I know there's a list of other bits needed, that's not what I'm talking about right now.
Just the complete ECU then I'll post a complete other parts list.

Thanks

Same deal for me. I've been to the MS web site a number of times and started to read all the stuff. By the time I was 5 minutes in I was staring at my computer like a deer in the headlights trying to figure out what I was supposed to build or buy.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Someone should do a post with like what they purchased, how much it cost and how much time it took to build it or is there s generic ready built one out there. I want to run ITB's that I am building manifolds for.

[Mark Henry]

Same deal for me. I've been to the MS web site a number of times and started to read all the stuff. By the time I was 5 minutes in I was staring at my computer like a deer in the headlights trying to figure out what I was supposed to build or buy.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Someone should do a post with like what they purchased, how much it cost and how much time it took to build it or is there s generic ready built one out there. I want to run ITB's that I am building manifolds for.

I hear ya Rick, I'm not asking peeps to do my homework for me, just a quick low down on what MS parts are needed, tools needed, time involved (trigger and intake fab is already done), etc.
Just a ballpark on some of the stuff.

I've done several SDS installs so I'm not a total newbie and I do know my way around FI and custom fab.

I'm not getting paid for this, just hopefully some experience, tools and leftover bits as a tip.
If it's a lot of work maybe a MS2 board for me??? who knows.....

[rick 918-S]

Same deal for me. I've been to the MS web site a number of times and started to read all the stuff. By the time I was 5 minutes in I was staring at my computer like a deer in the headlights trying to figure out what I was supposed to build or buy.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Someone should do a post with like what they purchased, how much it cost and how much time it took to build it or is there s generic ready built one out there. I want to run ITB's that I am building manifolds for.

I hear ya Rick, I'm not asking peeps to do my homework for me, just a quick low down on what MS parts are needed, tools needed, time involved (trigger and intake fab is already done), etc.
Just a ballpark on some of the stuff.

I've done several SDS installs so I'm not a total newbie and I do know my way around FI and custom fab.

I'm not getting paid for this, just hopefully some experience, tools and leftover bits as a tip.
If it's a lot of work maybe a MS2 board for me??? who knows.....

Sounds like you have a good understanding. My F.I. experience is Porsche C.I.S. and stock L-Jet and D-jet on BMW and 914's Nothing with MS or SDS.

So does MS have a pre-built unit? Which one? Is Micro Squirt a pre-built that you taylor to your sensors and injectors? What to buy...what to buy..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

[Mark Henry]

Same deal for me. I've been to the MS web site a number of times and started to read all the stuff. By the time I was 5 minutes in I was staring at my computer like a deer in the headlights trying to figure out what I was supposed to build or buy.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Someone should do a post with like what they purchased, how much it cost and how much time it took to build it or is there s generic ready built one out there. I want to run ITB's that I am building manifolds for.

I hear ya Rick, I'm not asking peeps to do my homework for me, just a quick low down on what MS parts are needed, tools needed, time involved (trigger and intake fab is already done), etc.
Just a ballpark on some of the stuff.

I've done several SDS installs so I'm not a total newbie and I do know my way around FI and custom fab.

I'm not getting paid for this, just hopefully some experience, tools and leftover bits as a tip.
If it's a lot of work maybe a MS2 board for me??? who knows.....

Sounds like you have a good understanding. My F.I. experience is Porsche C.I.S. and stock L-Jet and D-jet on BMW and 914's Nothing with MS or SDS.

So does MS have a pre-built unit? Which one? Is Micro Squirt a pre-built that you taylor to your sensors and injectors? What to buy...what to buy..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Yes, my buddy is looking at MS3pro which is a pre built, but it's mo'money.
Hopefully someone with experience will chime in, but if not i'll be happy to share any info I find out.
What engine is your system going to be for? /4, /6, the Alien?

[rick 918-S]

Same deal for me. I've been to the MS web site a number of times and started to read all the stuff. By the time I was 5 minutes in I was staring at my computer like a deer in the headlights trying to figure out what I was supposed to build or buy.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

Someone should do a post with like what they purchased, how much it cost and how much time it took to build it or is there s generic ready built one out there. I want to run ITB's that I am building manifolds for.

I hear ya Rick, I'm not asking peeps to do my homework for me, just a quick low down on what MS parts are needed, tools needed, time involved (trigger and intake fab is already done), etc.
Just a ballpark on some of the stuff.

I've done several SDS installs so I'm not a total newbie and I do know my way around FI and custom fab.

I'm not getting paid for this, just hopefully some experience, tools and leftover bits as a tip.
If it's a lot of work maybe a MS2 board for me??? who knows.....

Sounds like you have a good understanding. My F.I. experience is Porsche C.I.S. and stock L-Jet and D-jet on BMW and 914's Nothing with MS or SDS.

So does MS have a pre-built unit? Which one? Is Micro Squirt a pre-built that you taylor to your sensors and injectors? What to buy...what to buy..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Yes, my buddy is looking at MS3pro which is a pre built, but it's mo'money.
Hopefully someone with experience will chime in, but if not i'll be happy to share any info I find out.
What engine is your system going to be for? /4, /6, the Alien?

I'm working on a set of intakes for a 4 that is different than what is currently being shown with the other system projects posted here. McMark was boasting about Micro Squirt. If that's a pre-built I would be interested in starting with that.

[jimkelly]

I believe you can get is assembled as well

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/megasqu...2e0032edca49e62

mega vs micro
http://www.ms3efi.com/feature-xref.html

note: I could have sworn that I recently saw a mega unit that had a sticker on it, that said, for off road use only?

[rick 918-S]

I believe you can get is assembled as well

http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/megasqu...2e0032edca49e62

mega vs micro
http://www.ms3efi.com/feature-xref.html

note: I could have sworn that I recently saw a mega unit that had a sticker on it, that said, for off road use only?

Ya, I was surfing the microsquirt site and there was a disclaimer about using it on emission vehicles.

[jeff]

This system is really nice, if money is no object I would go with a motec setup but this stuff works and is very user friendly...

http://sdsefi.com/

[Mark Henry]

This system is really nice, if money is no object I would go with a motec setup but this stuff works and is very user friendly...

http://sdsefi.com/

SDS is in the running, if you read my first post you'll see I've installed several SDS systems including the system that was in my 914/4 that's now going on my bug.
In fact I was using SDS long before Jake was.

[DBCooper]

The SDS is "simple," which is good, but that's also another way of saying "limited." One of the bad things about Megasquirt is that it's not "limited", so there are an awful lot of things to deal with. Sometimes that's too much for hobbyists or people getting involved with modern fuel injection for the first time, but not an issue for people who already have a good background.

Ya, I was surfing the microsquirt site and there was a disclaimer about using it on emission vehicles.

In California and maybe other states vehicles need to pass both a functional (sniffer) test but also a visual, with nothing changed from the way the manufacturer delivered the car. Obviously the MS boxes won't pass that test, so that's the disclaimer. I think McMark was working on a way to put a microsquirt into an OEM ECU box if you want to keep the vintage look on a T4. He also does general Megasquirt so would be the guy to talk to.

Another option is Mario at the Dubshop, who was recommended by DIY Autotune to re-work a board my son fried. He's all aircooled, only does Megasquirt, he likes new ideas, and I know has background in turbo tuning. Plus can do simple English translations of the MS-speak babble. Website is http://www.thedubshop.net/shopping.html . Good guy and recommended.

[Mark Henry]

Ya, I was surfing the microsquirt site and there was a disclaimer about using it on emission vehicles.

The SDS is "simple," which is good, but that's also another way of saying "limited." One of the bad things about Megasquirt is that it's not "limited", so there are an awful lot of things to deal with, sometimes too much for hobbyists or people getting involved with modern fuel injection for the first time.

In California and maybe other states vehicles need to pass both a functional (sniffer) test but also a visual, with nothing changed from the way the manufacturer delivered the car. Obviously the MS boxes won't pass that test, so that's the disclaimer. I think McMark was working on a way to put a microsquirt into an OEM ECU box if you want to keep the vintage look. He also does general Megasquirt so would be the guy to talk to.

Another option is Mario at the Dubshop, who was recommended by DIY Autotune to re-work a board my son fried. He's all aircooled, only does Megasquirt, and he likes new ideas. Plus can do simple English translations of the MS-speak babble. Website is http://www.thedubshop.net/shopping.html . Good guy and recommended.

I don't find SDS limited, if the final product is the same price I'll take SDS any day.
My other buddy already has a 450hp 930 turbo running SDS with zero issues. He has more money into the engine than most here have into their /6., $10K just into the custom Xtreme heads alone.

I'm sure Mario does nice work.

[rfuerst911sc]

If anyone is interested I have an Autronics unit I bought from Jake Raby but I never installed. Jake had it installed I think on a Boxster for a dyno run when he was doing comparisons of different ECU's. Other than that never used. Has the wire harness, injector harness she's in excellent condition. I'll never use it I'd like to see it go to someone that could use it. PM me if interested.