 A question about a 2270 |
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| SLKWrx |
 Jan 16 2005, 08:51 AM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 319 Joined: 28-September 04 From: Woolwich, NJ Member No.: 2,845 Region Association: North East States 
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I'm at a crossroad in my 914 experience. After getting all the engine components cleaned up and ready to go, I started my inspection. Turns out the PO never told me there was a good bit of piston slap. So I'm turning a different route and I would like to get more information on the 2270.
Does anyone know where I can get specifics about it? I hear a lot of upgrades from the 1.7 and 1.8L blocks, but not all that much from the 2L block? Is there a reason? Is there a way to get the added stroke without cracking the block? Anyways, thanks for the info. Can't wait to actually drive this thing that sits in my garage and taunts me (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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| machina |
Jan 16 2005, 08:58 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,030 Joined: 21-June 03 From: Miami Beach, FL Member No.: 848  |
There is alot on Jake's site at:
http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/type4/9...0_performer.htm Some other members here have built 2270's so search for their experiences. |
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| Mark Henry |
Jan 16 2005, 09:08 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
No...you have to tear down the whole engine for this work. Once you go this route 1.7/1.8/2.0 makes no differance, but if you have a 2.0 your ahead because you have better head cores. |
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| davep |
Jan 16 2005, 09:21 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,159 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
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A different stroke means a different crankshaft. That means a full tear down. |
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| SLKWrx |
Jan 16 2005, 09:30 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 319 Joined: 28-September 04 From: Woolwich, NJ Member No.: 2,845 Region Association: North East States
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Hm.. I'm sad to hear that. It looks like the additional stroke will have to wait. Cracking the block was actually the line that I didn't want to cross. I had taken a look at Jake's site, his engines insane.. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif) His site was actually what got me thinking about trying it on my own. Still have too much (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sawzall-smiley.gif) and (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) before I can spend a lot on the engine.
Looks like the hunt is on for a good set of 94mm's without breaking the bank Thanks for all the info |
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| DJsRepS |
Jan 17 2005, 04:50 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 431 Joined: 4-November 04 From: Sarasota Florida Member No.: 3,060 |
See Jake buy a Jake motor. Or at least some NIckyes
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| Tom Perso |
Jan 17 2005, 08:10 AM
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Crazy from the Cold... Group: Members Posts: 647 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Kalamazoo, MI Member No.: 1,003 |
Building a 2270 is not an easy thing to do. If you don't get exactly the right parts, you will be dealing with interferance issues that will seem impossible to correct.
Even with a reduced basecircle cam and T1 rods, I still had to do some grinding. I don't know how Jake is doing larger strokes than that! It's amazing! But, it's a blast to drive... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) Later, Tom |
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| jr91472 |
Jan 17 2005, 09:10 AM
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"I'm pacing myself sergeant..." Group: Members Posts: 1,205 Joined: 2-August 04 From: McKinney, TX Member No.: 2,437 |
I found this site to be fairly educational for someone just starting to try and figure it all out.
http://www.type4parts.com/cat_which.cfm they also sell 2270 upgrade kits...but somehow this seems to good to be true. does anyone have any experience with these guys? Their kits don't use nickies, so my question is: how much of an issue will heat be using cast iron cylinders? anyone? |
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| seanery |
Jan 17 2005, 09:24 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
I believe that's Steve of Pelican & Otto's
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| skline |
Jan 17 2005, 09:35 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
I built a 2270 for my last car using the cast iron cylinders. I didnt have a heat problem once I added an external oil cooler. Very strong motor. Steve helped me out with it to resolve some clearance problems I had. He knows what he is doing. I had asked sevaral experts what the problem was that I was having, he was the only one that knew.
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| seanery |
Jan 17 2005, 09:48 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
he lists stuff for sale, but doesn't post here anymore, I'm surprised by that
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| skline |
Jan 17 2005, 09:52 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
He does post here, just not as much. I see him here all the time. He is not very far from me either. I like having him local. He is an excellent resource and friendly. He likes our cars and that makes him a better source in my opinion. He has an interest in keeping these on the road. He is also very helpful with advice. He has loaned me tools in the past that I would not have been able to find in a pinch. In fact, just last week, he came over and helped me make a new shift rod for the Chalon, in the rain and didnt charge me. I consider him a friend and a good resource for parts and service.
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 17 2005, 10:37 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
All Type IV engines are about to become alot easier and more affordable to create....
Trust me...... We are down to the single digits and counting for the big unveiling! |
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 17 2005, 10:40 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,035 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Ok Jake, its a race between you and Brad (his e commerce site) to see who debuts first!
The loser is a loser. Geoff (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) |
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 17 2005, 10:54 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
But mine is totally different than his....
Way different content! |
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| Joe Ricard |
Jan 17 2005, 11:19 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
I don't think that is the point Jake The parts dealer to first put the product out on the street WINS. Doesn't matter if I were selling purple apples. It's been so long waiting for the aluminum hubs to come out I pretty much gave up and found a different path.
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 17 2005, 11:33 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,035 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
My point is don't try to have a prefect site, the first to have something up and running gets the sales! Second place usually means no sales= loser. Yeah, I know Brads will be different content but.....
Still waiting for both sites to be up and running instead of promises, promises..... Geoff (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) |
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| rhodyguy |
Jan 17 2005, 01:01 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,098 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
i don't have a 2270... but a few things to consider first. how do you plan on delivering fuel to the engine? f.i or carbs? which f.i? do you plan on running heat exchangers or going to headers? there are a number of things to consider BEFORE you settle on the displacement you want.
kevin |
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 17 2005, 03:27 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
My site has to be extensive, because of part compatibility and etc. If its not I go nuts answering questions!
No races here, I have been working wide open on this since July- 20 hours a day most of the time. |
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| SLKWrx |
Jan 17 2005, 05:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 319 Joined: 28-September 04 From: Woolwich, NJ Member No.: 2,845 Region Association: North East States
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Those are all good questions.. Things I should have thought out earlier. For right now, I have carbs for the car, but I was thinking of going f.i. if I did the 2270. I was just thinking about using D-Jet.. is there a much better way to go? Also, I was planning on having heat exchangers since the car will be street driven a bit. I was already planning an oil cooler.. maybe not as extensive as a front mounted one, but I am still early in the process. The reason I was considering the 2270 is because I'll need new cylinders and pistons.. I figured I'd find out if the 2270 was easier than I thought, because then I'd just go for the 96mm's. I can't see much benefit to going with anything above 94's w/o increasing the stroke. Back to the drawing board.. seems like I just can't get a foothold on where to start anymore. |
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