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Don't start with me!!!, Starter won't turn... |
Carlitos Way |
Feb 17 2005, 11:59 AM
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I did it MY WAY Group: Members Posts: 1,337 Joined: 14-September 04 From: Simi Valley, CA Member No.: 2,757 Region Association: Southern California |
Hello everyone,
Just trying to figure this out. Starter seems to work fine if the car is warm, but when it's cold (i.e. over night, or after a few hours of rest), the starter won't crank the engine. Not even a "click." Thank god for light cars and push-starts. I'm suspecting a starter. Any other thoughts or ideas? Also, how difficult is it to replace the starter? Thanks, Carlos |
Joe Bob |
Feb 17 2005, 12:00 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Check your grounds....the one from the trans to the body, the positive and negative posts on the battery, look for cracks in the cable that allow water in and then a cancer grows under the insulation....check the contacts at the starter...
edit... BTW...have you ever tried tapping the solenoid with a mallet when it won't click? Sometimes pulling the solenoid and lubing it with dielectric grease will help. |
Eric_Shea |
Feb 17 2005, 12:06 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
...and then, check your solinoid. The words "Not even a click." make me suspect that "next" in the chain.
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Brando |
Feb 17 2005, 01:14 PM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
I suspected the same... But I have a wire run from the solenoid to the battery that i "tap" to the positive lead if the car doesnt want to start. That makes it run. Try the same?
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Rand |
Feb 17 2005, 01:27 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Perhaps some frown on tricks like this, but when I had starter trouble, one of the first things I did was use a screwdriver on the starter/solenoid. I put the shank on the hot terminal, then slid the tip forward to tap the solenoid. It cranked. In a couple seconds I ruled out the battery, cables, ground strap, solenoid, etc. My problem ended up being the ignition switch.
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Eric_Shea |
Feb 17 2005, 01:31 PM
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PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,278 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) I do the same but... that doesn't rule out the solenoid, I usually use that to point to the solenoid. No click = jump the terminals. Click = Solenoid is bad.
Right? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) |
Rand |
Feb 17 2005, 01:42 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
If you put power to the solenoid and it engages the starter and cranks, then solenoid is good.
If you can run a wire from solenoid to battery and it'll crank, then the problem is most likely the ignition switch (it's common for them to crack). Also check the connections in the solenoid wire circuit - particularly under the seat where the seatbelt switch/relay is. I made a set of long leads with alligator clips so I can connect to each end of a circuit and get them to my multimeter for a quick and easy continuity check. |
TC/914 |
Feb 17 2005, 02:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 21-October 04 From: Southern MA Member No.: 2,981 |
If you find that it's the solenoid, even if you replace it, it's a pretty good idea to have a remote starter button somewhere in the cabin. If the car should stall intraffic, rather than hurriedly turning the ignition off and on again, it's just so easy to hit the starter button and off you go. AND at a time like this, it serves as a diagnostic tool in troubleshooting the switch/starter/wiring/solenoid gremlins that will pop up now and then.
While you're under the car, it wouldn't hurt to replace the electrical connectors either. The spades and connectors in general become brittle with age/the current running through them and eventually work loose, or just plain fall apart. Luck, TC |
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