Looking at buying a 914-6 - Opinions needed ASAP! Options

[Cuda911]

I have an offer in on the car. Need your opinions quick, stat, pronto!

Decided to start a new clean thread, since I was piggy-backing onto someone else's thread.

The original thread is here:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=258093&hl=

Took the car for a good drive.

Engine fired right up, sounded very good.

Shifting was about as sloppy as one can imagine. If I hadn't driven 914s before, this car would have been nearly undriveable.

More rust than I had hoped for. There was no way to take the rockers off, so any purchase would be contingent on a more thorough inspection. I felt up under them... seemed greasy, but not rusty.

The car will need some significant restoration. Paint code is 80 (Ivory) and I have a personal "no black car" policy, so at least going back to stock color will be good for me.

Certificate of Authenticity has been ordered. Believed to be a numbers matching car.

Some items/issues:

- The ever-popular broom-stick mod for rear trunk.
- Rear trunk latch broken
- Front trunk won't open, cable broken. Needs to be fixed before can fill it with gas (the cable recently broke... guesstimate it is down to 1/4 tank).
- Fuel gauge broken.
- Glove box missing (the door is there, but hanging loose, no box behind it).
- Some rips in seat vinyl.
- Cracked dash, loose dash vinyl .
- Passenger door pocket is loose.
- oil leak.
- Terrible paint.
- Chrome on bumper is terrible.
- Rust: see pix, they should be pretty self-explanatory.
- What are those round areas in the rear trunk that are sealed over? My 914-4's have similar ones, but that larger one on this car doesn't seem original to the manufacture of the car.
- Shocks are shot.
- Shifter is a total mix-master. Could beat eggs to a froth with all that slop.

Plus items:

It's a six.
Cool license plate.
Local car.

Pix to follow in a moment:

[Cuda911]

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[Cuda911]

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[Mikey914]

If it's not to crazy on the money DO IT you know you want to. Hell, it'll probably do better than your 401K they way these are going.

[Cuda911]

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[Cuda911]

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[Cuda911]

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[Tom_T]

Mike,

Check if the engine & trans numbers are matching - if it doesn't have a COA to confirm - then PCNA may confirm it for you on the phone if you give them the numbers verbally or in emailed pix ,& tell them you're looking at buying it & will buy the COA if/when you do buy.

Then get with Dave Walker/toolguy &/or Andy Thonet/SoCal Andy - they're both close in East SD & OC respectively - on what it will cost to resto it .... or at least get it to be a good runner at least!

They've both done their -6 restos recently & should have a good handle on costs & time. Andy is working on some others' -6 restos now too IIRC. PM or email them stat ... pronto .... quick!

At least you won't be upside down with a 6-resto! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

PS - I knew that "ride" with Andy at Temecula hooked ya! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
Also - 80 (or 8010) is Light Ivory - so a bit closer to white than Ivory & there are several 6's around in that color to look at for comparison.

Good Luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Tome
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[EdwardBlume]

Do it already!

[pete000]

On ebay now...

[warpig]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Porsche-Other...utorefresh=true

Sorry, I am the highest bidder (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) $202.50 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif)

Well that lasted all of about 4 minutes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
I really don't have room or time for another 914 project car anyway. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

[pete000]

Seems like a solid project.

I would just sort it out and drive it !

[siverson]

Yes, seems like a pretty decent car. It looks somewhat similar in condition to my green car when I got it. And I think the investment required is similar.

I think the math is something like:

$30k - buy the car
$10k - metal/rust/body work
$10k - paint
$5k - interior
$20k - rebuild engine and transmission
$10k - lots of small parts, bolts, rubber, plating, etc

= $85k total + a bazillion hours of work and you have a REALLY nice 914 that you could probably sell for $80k-$85k. But that's at least a year from now, so prices will either be way up, or you'll have $85k into a $40k 914!

But if you're going to do the project to keep it for a long time and have fun, this seems like a really great start.

-Steve

[siverson]

< Also - 80 (or 8010) is Light Ivory - so a bit closer to white than Ivory & there are several 6's around in that color to look at for comparison.

Are you sure? I understand L80E is Ivory, but sixes had two digit paint codes and "80" should be Silver (80 or 8010),

See:

http://www.p914.com/p914-6_paint_70.htm

and

http://members.rennlist.com/chuxter/914Colors.htm

-Steve

[toolguy]

From the vin I'm pretty sure that is the car that use to belong to Clark Riener here in San Diego back in the 80's. . he is TPINES on our site. .
The last figures were in the ballpark to restore a 6. . maybe a little light on the rust/body/ paint though depending on what you find when it's apart. . plus, I'd personally want to remove the fiberglass flairs and return it to bone stock. . . that is where the real money is if you want it restored correctly. If it's just to be a driver, do what you want but don't consider it a money making investment in that case.

Same old story, It's usually better to buy the best you can afford rather than doing the restoration yourself. . you seldom get your labor back out of it. .

[brant]

Kinda depends on the final rust condition. It's not cheap to fix.

[ndfrigi]

Mike, how about this 6 conversion for $30k.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=258125&hl=

[Sedonut]

You are making a bet on the 914-6 market. What goes up really fast can go down just as fast.

Personally, having had one, it is not that fast and not that different a car from a 914. You can still buy those all day long in the same condition for $5000 or less.

A sure thing? No.

If you always wanted one, planned on keeping it forever, and like working on them, maybe.


Look at http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-mar...ace-discussion/

[mepstein]

You are making a bet on the 914-6 market. What goes up really fast can go down just as fast.

Personally, having had one, it is not that fast and not that different a car from a 914. You can still buy those all day long in the same condition for $5000 or less.

A sure thing? No.

If you always wanted one, planned on keeping it forever, and like working on them, maybe.


Look at http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-mar...ace-discussion/

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) don't let people who don't own a six or have never restored a rusty 914 spend your money for you. When you spend $80k to purchase and restore a car that currently has an $80k value, it's not really an investment. Buy it if you always wanted one, don't buy it if the dollars have to make cents

[somd914]

You are making a bet on the 914-6 market. What goes up really fast can go down just as fast.

Personally, having had one, it is not that fast and not that different a car from a 914. You can still buy those all day long in the same condition for $5000 or less.

A sure thing? No.

If you always wanted one, planned on keeping it forever, and like working on them, maybe.


Look at http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-mar...ace-discussion/

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) don't let people who don't own a six or have never restored a rusty 914 spend your money for you. When you spend $80k to purchase and restore a car that currently has an $80k value, it's not really an investment. Buy it if you always wanted one, don't buy it if the dollars have to make cents

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
If your looking for power, a stock 6 is not the answer - increased displacement 4 has an upper hand there in many ways.

As for the market, as the old saying goes, never buy a car for an investment... There's a lot of money flowing into the classic Euro car market these days. I have to wonder if the bubble will burst soon like the muscle car market did several years back.

However, if you desire to have a 6 and desire a major project, then go for it.