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> Poll... This is my first one., Engine choices for my track car
Help me make a decision
What engine for the white car.
LS engine [ 12 ] ** [26.09%]
Suby WRX [ 17 ] ** [36.96%]
Cayenne 4.5v8 [ 14 ] ** [30.43%]
Turbo type 1 VW [ 3 ] ** [6.52%]
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tscrihfield
post Dec 1 2015, 08:34 PM
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I'm not sure that I will ever finish this car... But I hope to.
Just would like to start a dialogue about these options for the car.

Having worked on all of them now... I have my own opinions but would like to know everyone else's.

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post Dec 1 2015, 09:04 PM
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Is budget a concern?

If not really, the ls mated to a boxter 6 spd makes for an excellent package. However, given that you can get the whole wrx conversion running for what the clutch/flywheel adapter costs for the ls to boxter it gets my vote.

Plus you get to keep a boxer engine.
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post Dec 1 2015, 11:06 PM
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WRX would be the closest to stk,.with strong performance,..but 350-400 in a 914,....Damn,..but I still say WRX
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post Dec 1 2015, 11:07 PM
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Something legal for an established class?
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post Dec 1 2015, 11:17 PM
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electric option ???
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post Dec 1 2015, 11:17 PM
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electric option ???



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QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Dec 1 2015, 10:17 PM) *

electric option ???



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Jeff, that's shocking... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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post Dec 2 2015, 09:19 PM
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Something legal for an established class?


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Easier to plan your build for a class, than it is to try to figure out things after the fact.
Without a plan you will likely end up in a class you'll never have hope in hell of being competitive in.
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post Dec 2 2015, 10:27 PM
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Something legal for an established class?
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Easier to plan your build for a class, than it is to try to figure out things after the fact.
Without a plan you will likely end up in a class you'll never have hope in hell of being competitive in.

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post Dec 3 2015, 02:56 AM
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Confused as to why you would have a turbo type 1 option, but no type 4 option?

whats wrong with the type 4?
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post Dec 3 2015, 10:20 AM
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For any track car, Step Zero should always be RTFR. (Read The Rulebook.) Most engine swaps will either take you out of running with some outfits, or will put you into the megabuck classes.

My choice of motor: Stock 1.7 or 1.8. Gives you the largest number of places to run, and fits into classes where you don't have to arrive in a big-rig to have any chance of getting into mid-pack.

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post Dec 3 2015, 10:50 AM
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If you just want a toy for the track, get the LS and mate it to a boxster transmission. It should provide you with many, many big smiles without worrying about a bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, running more boost etc.
None of those make any sense for a race car. If you would like to race, stay with a type 4 at or under 2 liters. And read the rule book. Can you run carbs? Are you required to run carbs? Etc
Dreaming is fun, but having a track car that you have spent all of your time and money on that you have to try to sell so you can build a race car is frustrating. Been there myself twice!
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The biggest question is what racing organization are you going to be running in mainly. If its the PCA or if you want any hopes of running in the Porsche club you need to run a Porsche engine.

If its an open class your going to want to maximize the rules (Most have displacement restrictions and then any engine with a Turbo gets put into the big engine classes).

If the car is mainly going to be on the track a turbo is not an added hassle you want unless it can give you a competitive advantage. In this case an LS motor is probably the best option if not for a Porsche engine.

If the car is rarely going to see track and only for DE days or open track day use but mainly street use, a turbo engine is a fantastic choice. BUT Oversize the turbo, run lower boost settings on the track than you would on the street, oversize your intercooler and oversize your oil cooler.
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If you just want a toy for the track, get the LS and mate it to a boxster transmission.


And then have lots of fun turning rubber into smoke!!

...Or spend a bunch more $$ on flaring the car so you can put enough tire under it to cope with the LS.

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On the track a narrow body can cope just fine with 350lbs tq with a sticky tire. You dont spend much time below 40mph, and the v8 being a very very linear engine you can modulate that power nicely.

Besides it looks like he's got GT flares base on his avatar.
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post Dec 3 2015, 04:45 PM
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3.0liter twin plug 911 motor?

anyways.. like some others say.. how will the car be used? "Track" car is kinda vague. If racing is the goal, read a rule book. No point doing the work over and over again.
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post Dec 3 2015, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE(Racer @ Dec 3 2015, 05:45 PM) *

3.0liter twin plug 911 motor?

anyways.. like some others say.. how will the car be used? "Track" car is kinda vague. If racing is the goal, read a rule book. No point doing the work over and over again.

That's what I'm installing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)

But I'm not racing....
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post Dec 6 2015, 09:30 PM
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Sorry all, kinda posted that and then checked out... for a few days. Work has been demanding of my time to say the least. Memphis this week and Orlando all next so Tonight is about the only night I will have a home for the next couple weeks since PRI show is in indy next weekend.

I guess I should have prefaced my "Race car" comment... I think it will be a DE car. I could always go the Cayenne V8 route and race PCA. I help our club each year with our PCA clubrace and know enough about the rules to be dangerous but the car would have to have P car engine and trans to fit the bill. I will start digging into classification rules and see where it leads. I think if the car works out, I may look into some sort of club racing whether that be SCCA, NASA or some other sort. I think I would steer clear of PCA due to the tight regs on engine and trans.

Thank you guys for the advice. Looks like many like the Suby route thus far

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post Dec 6 2015, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(Racer @ Dec 3 2015, 02:45 PM) *

3.0liter twin plug 911 motor?

anyways.. like some others say.. how will the car be used? "Track" car is kinda vague. If racing is the goal, read a rule book. No point doing the work over and over again.





W t f right

You missing that only option that matters here



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The /6 seems to be a low risk

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I thought air cooled flat sixes were made for and to
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Dec 2 2015, 08:27 PM) *

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Easier to plan your build for a class, than it is to try to figure out things after the fact.
Without a plan you will likely end up in a class you'll never have hope in hell of being competitive in.

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