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Racing harness seatbelt crossbar, Where to get and ballpark price for new?

Steve Thacker	Mar 15 2005, 10:57 AM Post #1
UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest	Hey all, I'm looking at getting a better restraint system for my car , i.e seatbelt crossbar and a decent set of black 4 pt racing harnesses. I don't know where to purchase the crossbar. Do any of you have an idea on the price of these, if it is too high I'm going to get out the welder and make my own. I'm not going to race my car, just want to make sure any occupants are safer while out tooling around or going to a show. Before the admins might snatch this post and move it to the want ads. Do any of you have a package deal for sale, that you aren't using? I would rather give my money to a member than to an outside source. Much appreciate it!

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Series9	Mar 15 2005, 11:05 AM Post #2
Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States	Don't use a harness bar, use the firewall. Like this: Attached image(s)

Series9	Mar 15 2005, 11:05 AM Post #3
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Mar 15 2005, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE (914RS @ Mar 15 2005, 09:05 AM)

Don't use a harness bar, use the firewall. Like this:

I have a question. Is there a best way to determine where to drill for those mounting bolts? I want to install a 5 point belt in my car for AXing. I really haven't done any research on these belts yet or how to do installs.

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Mar 15 2005, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE (itsa914 @ Mar 15 2005, 10:14 AM)

QUOTE (914RS @ Mar 15 2005, 09:05 AM)

Don't use a harness bar, use the firewall. Like this:

I have a question. Is there a best way to determine where to drill for those mounting bolts? I want to install a 5 point belt in my car for AXing. I really haven't done any research on these belts yet or how to do installs.

It should be as close to level with the top of your shoulders as is practical. There is a max down-angle that's safe, but I don't remember.

I'm sure someone will chime in.

Steve Thacker	Mar 15 2005, 11:20 AM Post #6
UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest	Joe, Appreciate the heads up. I'll have to look around the homestead and find some plate steel. Yours looks more safe than the crossbar. My only problem is that I have factory seats and there is no provision to keep the straps up in the proper position near the shoulders.

Series9	Mar 15 2005, 11:25 AM Post #7
Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States	Here you go: http://www.racerwholesale.com/catalog/inde...php?cPath=21_75

Steve Thacker	Mar 15 2005, 11:30 AM Post #8
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Mar 15 2005, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE (914RS @ Mar 15 2005, 12:05 PM)

Don't use a harness bar, use the firewall. Like this:

Joe,

I'm surprised that you are going that direction. My understanding is that you want the shoulder belts to be as close to parallel to the floor as possible. That's why most people would anchor the belts to either the floor or the firewall (as you have done), then pass the belts over a harness bar at shoulder level. That would minimize any potential spine compression in case of an incident.

At least, that is my understanding.

Series9

Mar 15 2005, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE (Paul Heery @ Mar 15 2005, 10:33 AM)

QUOTE (914RS @ Mar 15 2005, 12:05 PM)

Don't use a harness bar, use the firewall. Like this:

Joe,

I'm surprised that you are going that direction. My understanding is that you want the shoulder belts to be as close to parallel to the floor as possible. That's why most people would anchor the belts to either the floor or the firewall (as you have done), then pass the belts over a harness bar at shoulder level. That would minimize any potential spine compression in case of an incident.

At least, that is my understanding.

My installation fits me in the way you describe without a harness bar.

This picture may help. The mounting points are almost directly behind the holes in the seat:

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Series9

Mar 15 2005, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE (Steve Thacker @ Mar 15 2005, 10:20 AM)

My only problem is that I have factory seats and there is no provision to keep the straps up in the proper position near the shoulders.

Here you go:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...sspagename=WD1V

Dave_Darling	Mar 15 2005, 12:04 PM Post #12
914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,991 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California	Harness bars can be purchased from All The Usual Suspects. We at The Bird have them listed for just over two RCUs (Race Car Units == $100 bills). http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopca...g_pg2.htm#item9 --DD

Steve Thacker	Mar 15 2005, 12:10 PM Post #13
UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest	Damn Dave, One would not think that a piece of metal with nothing special about it other than it's length and mounting brackets on the end would be so expensive. I don't get it. Maybe I'll put my new mig welder to use.

Steve Thacker	Mar 15 2005, 12:14 PM Post #14
UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest	Thanks Joe for the seat link. I spent untold hours sewing in my new interior to get away from buying racing seats. As nice as those are, I'm so damn cheap I make me sick. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) I've got so much money in this car, I could never sell it. Guess my grandson will make out like a bandit, when I get my dirt bed. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

theol00	Mar 15 2005, 12:26 PM Post #15
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Mar 15 2005, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE (theol00 @ Mar 15 2005, 02:26 PM)

I have a harness bar for sale - $75 and its yours

Theo,
Let me check my square steel stache. If I don't have any, then I may jump on your offer like a $20 hooker. I know, I know...we tried to help you Steve and you are backpeddling. I should be ashamed at being so cheap, but I'm not. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

Gint	Mar 15 2005, 01:24 PM Post #17
Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,083 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains	Hey Joe! (914RS), What did you put on the rear bulkhead? Is that carpet? It looks pretty nice. Got more pics?

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Mar 15 2005, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE (Gint @ Mar 15 2005, 11:24 AM)

Hey Joe! (914RS),

What did you put on the rear bulkhead? Is that carpet? It looks pretty nice. Got more pics?

I think it's heavy duty felt...and from what I've seen every part of his car is nice....so nice it makes me sick, haha

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Mar 15 2005, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE (Steve Thacker @ Mar 15 2005, 10:46 AM)

I should be ashamed at being so cheap, but I'm not. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

i'm not sure if "cheap" and "DIY" is the right way to go when it comes to things like brakes or seat-belts and such ...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Andy

Steve Thacker	Mar 15 2005, 02:06 PM Post #20
UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest	Andy, I know the items you mentioned are the most important. And I'm not cheap on the stopping part. My mode of thinking is I have a close up pic on the design of these crossbars and they look almost too simple. I'm darn certain that building them would be a snap. I would use a square one inch steel bar and then mig the brackets onto the end. Then do a check for stress cracks in the welds. I should be able to hang an elephant off of the one I build.

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