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> What? Mustang Outsells 911's in Germany?, Seriously? What is WRONG with those Germans?
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post Apr 8 2016, 09:07 PM
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Mustang outsold the 911 in Germany last month, 780 Mustangs to 752 911's. Seriously. http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/08/autos/ford...-sales-germany/

Well, at half the price that probably does make sense, but still, Mustang?


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post Apr 8 2016, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(DBCooper @ Apr 8 2016, 10:07 PM) *

Mustang outsold the 911 in Germany last month, 780 Mustangs to 752 911's. Seriously. http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/08/autos/ford...-sales-germany/

Well, at half the price that probably does make sense, but still, Mustang?


Have you had the opportunity to go to Germany? Thing is, its full of German cars. What better way to stand out then to have some good old American muscle in the cobblestone streets of Dussel-David-Hoffenstrassa.
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post Apr 9 2016, 01:18 AM
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QUOTE(DCJosh @ Apr 8 2016, 08:18 PM) *

QUOTE(DBCooper @ Apr 8 2016, 10:07 PM) *

Mustang outsold the 911 in Germany last month, 780 Mustangs to 752 911's. Seriously. http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/08/autos/ford...-sales-germany/

Well, at half the price that probably does make sense, but still, Mustang?


Have you had the opportunity to go to Germany? Thing is, its full of German cars. What better way to stand out then to have some good old American muscle in the cobblestone streets of Dussel-David-Hoffenstrassa.


However, when you're paying for the petrol by the liter, it really doesn't equate.
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post Apr 9 2016, 06:49 AM
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Half the price? US$50,000? That's a whole lot of liters of petrol and I don't think Porsches are THAT good with mileage, or Mustangs that bad. And given the number of Harleys over there I doubt that's their main issue.

You know thinking about this after I posted, I haven't been in a Mustang in probably 30 years. They may have changed for the better, I don't know. I do know that in that time Porsche's have put on a whole lot of weight, so maybe those Germans are onto something.

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post Apr 9 2016, 06:54 AM
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I hate to say it, but new mustangs are actually that good. My buddy just picked up a new gt350, and I don't think I've ever had more redneck fun in a car.. ever..
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post Apr 9 2016, 07:44 AM
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With the improvements in handling, power, build quality, and the HUGE cost difference the mustang might simply be more attractive to German buyers looking for go fast. Don't forget what might be perceived as the 'cool' factor. Daring to be different?
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post Apr 9 2016, 08:09 AM
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Germans in general are quite proud of all things German. That still holds true for the older generation, but I think the younger crowd varies much more.

The roads are still dominated by Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, VW, etc... But I do recall seeing a few 'stangs flying by me on the Autobahn last September when I was there.

Ford also does quite well in Germany (Europe in general I'm sure) with their sub compact cars.
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post Apr 9 2016, 08:28 AM
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Price plus VAT is huge in Germany almost doubling the price. A Mustang, even a GT, is a real bargain for those with the need for speed. There is also a segment really into muscle cars. Makes perfect sense to me.

I drove in Germany for a week last Sep and could count the Porsches I saw, other than at the factory on both hands.
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Ford has always been big in Germany, that is nothing new.

They have even made models that were specifically marketed for Germany as early as the '40s.
I fondly remember my late '70s Ford Taunus (named after the area where i grew up!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taunus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Taunus_TC


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Also very popular in Germany in the '70s, the Ford Granada:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Granada_%28Europe%29

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QUOTE('73-914kid @ Apr 9 2016, 08:54 AM) *

I hate to say it, but new mustangs are actually that good. My buddy just picked up a new gt350, and I don't think I've ever had more redneck fun in a car.. ever..


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) The new Mustang, in 5.0L, V6 or turbo-4 form is LEGIT. It's one hell of a car.

And, contrary to the 991 being all electrically-assisted, the Mustang is still a driver's car. Maybe the Germans still like to shift their own gears and actually feel the the road beneath them. The Mustang has electric power steering as well, but not as dampened as the 991. Then there's the price.
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I saw this article and my biggest concern was that they were calling the Mustang a "sports car." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

It's cute, yes, and it does have some compelling models in its lineup, but sports car? No. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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OK, sports coupe car. That more correct?

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Sure.
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post Apr 9 2016, 02:49 PM
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Look at the cost of each, and what each can do, and re-ask the question. IMO 911;s are so far away from the simple, well engineered, lightweight cars I once loved, they are off my radar. Read much about the 4 cam, flat crank engine in the Mustang?
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Why not? Because it has back seats? So does the 911. And in either one of them, they're essentially useless to most adults.

What qualifies a car as a sportscar? To tomrev's point, does the 911 really count as a sportscar now? I'd lean far more towards luxury or luxury-tourer than a sportscar. And when Porsche finally does do away with the manual in favor of the PDK on all cars, I'd even consider the Mustang more of a sportscar. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hide.gif)

The lines between sportscar, sports-coupes, tourers, luxury-tourers have definitely gotten blurred the last few years. There's so many gadgets and luxury options on even the basic cars, it's hard for me to tell what is what.
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Rob's opinion.
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QUOTE(ThePaintedMan @ Apr 9 2016, 12:52 PM) *

Why not? Because it has back seats? So does the 911. And in either one of them, they're essentially useless to most adults.

What qualifies a car as a sportscar? To tomrev's point, does the 911 really count as a sportscar now? I'd lean far more towards luxury or luxury-tourer than a sportscar. And when Porsche finally does do away with the manual in favor of the PDK on all cars, I'd even consider the Mustang more of a sportscar. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hide.gif)

The lines between sportscar, sports-coupes, tourers, luxury-tourers have definitely gotten blurred the last few years. There's so many gadgets and luxury options on even the basic cars, it's hard for me to tell what is what.


Uh oh Porsche, that may just be what those German buyers are thinking, too.

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Low cost and hey, in Deutschland Yankees are exotic. Oooooohhhhh.

Why do you think SirAndy moved here?!?
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QUOTE('73-914kid @ Apr 9 2016, 08:54 AM) *

I hate to say it, but new mustangs are actually that good. My buddy just picked up a new gt350, and I don't think I've ever had more redneck fun in a car.. ever..


Yep...I wouldn't call the Mustang a redneck car anymore.

Recent reviews by Road & Track, Car & Driver, etc. show the new Mustang is an awesome machine.

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