 Wasnt this intended to be a 914 technical fourm?, Im seeing a disturbing trend. |
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| 914work |
 Jan 28 2018, 02:04 PM
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More & more I'm seeing the "Garage" being used to solicit sales for various of our member vendors instead of helping members fix problems, impart knowledge & generally discuss 914 related news experience ID parts & the like.
We have a section devoted for Member Vendors ~ don't we ? I understand the occasional crossover where customers need help or provide a (unbiased) reviews but cant we keep the introductions / group buys ect contained to the forum section CREATED for that purpose? Flame on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| bdstone914 |
Jan 28 2018, 02:27 PM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 5,280 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
QUOTE(914werke @ Jan 28 2018, 02:04 PM)  More & more I'm seeing the "Garage" being used to solicit sales for various of our member vendors instead of helping members fix problems, impart knowledge & generally discuss 914 related news experience ID parts & the like. We have a section devoted for Member Vendors ~ don't we ? I understand the occasional crossover where customers need help or provide a (unbiased) reviews but cant we keep the introductions / group buys ect contained to the forum section CREATED for that purpose? Flame on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) I do not find it a problem to see GB ads here. I rarely go to the Vendor member section. I miss a lot of what 914 Rubber offers. Is it really a problem ? Not interested, don't read it. I would not mind if 914 Rubber had their own way where everything they have sold , are selling or will be selling all in one spot. Maybe a spot where member vendors can post the new items ? Could care less about Uro parts and AA making new parts. To me thy are the last choice it nothing else is available. Bruce |
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| horizontally-opposed |
Jan 28 2018, 02:32 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,456 Joined: 12-May 04 From: San Francisco Member No.: 2,058 Region Association: None 
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^ I'm with Bruce...especially when we are talking about something like new chrome front bumpers, which have become hens teeth for 914 owners.
I do get you sentiment, but don't see it as an overwhelming problem? |
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| ConeDodger |
Jan 28 2018, 02:40 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 24,396 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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Like almost everything you can think of, it’s been brought up and Andy has said he doesn’t have a problem with it.
Heck, 914Rubber in particular teaches me something new with about every other group buy they announce so they are a little technical. No problem in my mind. |
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| 914work |
Jan 28 2018, 02:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 9-November 11 Member No.: 13,762 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(bdstone914 @ Jan 28 2018, 12:27 PM) I do not find it a problem to see GB ads here. I rarely go to the Vendor member section. I miss a lot of what 914 Rubber offers. Is it really a problem ? Not interested, don't read it. I would not mind if 914 Rubber had their own way where everything they have sold , are selling or will be selling all in one spot. Maybe a spot where member vendors can post the new items ? Could care less about Uro parts and AA making new parts. To me thy are the last choice it nothing else is available. Bruce Actually there is, 2 ways. The Banner ads at the top of the Fourm which will take you to the particular vendors site & just above them a link called "View new posts" which show posts in the Vendors section w/o going there .(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Everyone has their opinion Bruce, but if as Rob comments that Andy has no issue with it, then that is all that matters. Lastly not to get into a pissing match but considering you are an employee of Pelican who sells products sourced from all those players.. im surprised you would voice such Bias. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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| 914_teener |
Jan 28 2018, 03:45 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,270 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(914werke @ Jan 28 2018, 12:55 PM) QUOTE(bdstone914 @ Jan 28 2018, 12:27 PM) I do not find it a problem to see GB ads here. I rarely go to the Vendor member section. I miss a lot of what 914 Rubber offers. Is it really a problem ? Not interested, don't read it. I would not mind if 914 Rubber had their own way where everything they have sold , are selling or will be selling all in one spot. Maybe a spot where member vendors can post the new items ? Could care less about Uro parts and AA making new parts. To me thy are the last choice it nothing else is available. Bruce Actually there is, 2 ways. The Banner ads at the top of the Fourm which will take you to the particular vendors site & just above them a link called "View new posts" which show posts in the Vendors section w/o going there .(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Everyone has their opinion Bruce, but if as Rob comments that Andy has no issue with it than that is all that matters. Lastly not to get into a pissing match but considering you are an employee of Pelican who sells products sourced from all those players.. im surprised you would voice such Bias. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) There is no such thing as a "non-biased" viewpoint. They are all viewpoints or opinions based on your personal experiences which is in of itself ......biased. Character is important, and I personally don't have a problem with it. But that is just my opinion. |
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| porschetub |
Jan 28 2018, 03:56 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,065 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) with Bruce ...really is it a big deal,hardly worth a mention IMO,its great to see folks getting deals with GB's isn't the garage about fixing cars,how we do it ,what parts help in that process,etc.
914rubber are a valuble asset to this forum the more they sell more chance we have of new NLA parts being reproduced...bottom line. |
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| shoguneagle |
Jan 28 2018, 04:02 PM
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shoguneagle Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 3-January 03 From: CA, OR, AZ (CAZOR); New Mexico Member No.: 84 Region Association: Northern California |
I have been around this site for a number of years. I have found that being informed comes some times from product knowledge and discussion. A lot of us do not go to the vendors section unless I am specifically looking for an item to order, who to order from, and where to get a quality item. It takes prior information gleaned from discussions, what is going on, developments, etc.
In sum, discussion and finding out what is going on in the vendor offered items provides me with information which I will probably use later. For example "Group Special Buys" provided me with information that the 19mm master clutch cylinder was going out for manufacture after getting feedback from the members. These master cylinders were hard to get and rebuild kits are not available as they were in "yesteryear". I did not need one but after the discussion on it prior to anyone going out for manufacture I decided I needed on for future years replacement. So, I bought it. The banners and the vendor section are great for their purposes, but they do not create the opportunity for information exchange, product development, awareness to our community, etc. The way everything has been handled in the "Garge Section" always keeps me informed on specific product development, group buys, etc which I think is essential to our site information exchange, keeping our cars on the road, getting together, etc. Tha is how I see it. It is a thin line sometimes but essential to the exchange of information. Steve Hurt |
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| mepstein |
Jan 28 2018, 04:53 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 20,587 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Jan 28 2018, 03:32 PM) ^ I'm with Bruce...especially when we are talking about something like new chrome front bumpers, which have become hens teeth for 914 owners. I do get you sentiment, but don't see it as an overwhelming problem? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I like to learn about the new stuff in the garage. Usually there is a discussion with the part introduction. If anything, I would imagine a lot of the vendors are actually competition to Pelican. I don't know but I doubt Bruce profits through Pelican any from what goes on at 914World. He does personally supply a lot of cool new and used parts to the 914 community. I have benefitted from his involvement on this site. |
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| Chris914n6 |
Jan 28 2018, 05:22 PM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,528 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
After a decade there isn't much left to talk about but new things....
Group Buys make alot of what 914Rubber does possible. Without the sudden influx of cash to pay for the tooling things would take longer or possibly never to happen. Plus there is a volume discount on their end so remaining stock is better priced on our end. I'm likely like others in that I search the garage for an answer first, so the best solution might be found in a "GB" thread, where as I rarely look in Vendors for a "how to". So it's a matter of being where the action is. In the garages I've been in at least, we talk about things other than torque values when working. |
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| Unobtanium-inc |
Jan 28 2018, 05:31 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,449 Joined: 29-November 06 From: New York Member No.: 7,276 Region Association: None
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I can honestly say from watching many new parts vendors develop their stuff over the years it is many times a thankless job with lots of headaches. Nor is is a get rich quick kind of job. Sure you can make a living if you're a good businessman but you aren't getting RICH
So anything that will give a leg up to these guys working tirelessly to keep our cars running should be supported, and if that means that they post about a new product so be it. I've never understood people who complain about postings, it's a forum, if the title doesn't interest you, pass over it, I know I pass over lots of things on forums. It's not like it's a public hearing where everyone goes in order so you have to listen to lots of stuff you don't care about to get to the stuff you do. Just move the mouse. |
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| Steve |
Jan 28 2018, 05:35 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,029 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Laguna Niguel, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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The garage is supposed to be about CAR topics we would discuss in our own garage.
I like most don’t check the for sale section and members vendor section that often. So I am fine with the group buys and vendor announcements in the garage. That being said it would be nice if the vendor group buys, announcements, etc. could be stickies so we don’t have to search for them. How hard would it be to allow them to do that? |
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| toolguy |
Jan 28 2018, 05:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,276 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California
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The big difference is 914Rubber / Mark responds to the members needs and makes what we ask for in many instances. . He's a lot more than a retailer. .
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| Mikey914 |
Jan 28 2018, 05:40 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,772 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None
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I do try to walk a fine line here. I know the forum (specifically garage) is to be informational. The question was posed some time ago, and I did only post in the classifieds for quite some time. I have found it quite valuable to have discussion on parts prior to making stuff.
I look at my postings as kind of a co op. The prices I offer on the GB stuff is not to "promote" myself, but to try to address the needs of the community. I prime example was initial stainless bumper GB. I wanted to provide a service for the community if there was a need. Pricing is usually at or near cost on stuff I do. Sometimes it actually below. If some one wants to review a part mine or otherwise great. |
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| Larmo63 |
Jan 28 2018, 05:56 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,267 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
We need more posts about rust, tire sizes, stock fuel injection troubleshooting, and "where does this part go?"
BTW, have you seen the multi million dollar mansions all of those greedy 914 Rubber guys live in? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| ConeDodger |
Jan 28 2018, 06:16 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 24,396 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Jan 28 2018, 08:56 PM) We need more posts about rust, tire sizes, stock fuel injection troubleshooting, and "where does this part go?" BTW, have you seen the multi million dollar mansions all of those greedy 914 Rubber guys live in? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) I have! I stayed in one of the many (I think 3) bedrooms earlier this month. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) What? You guys thought it was really a mansion? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) |
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| Mikey914 |
Jan 28 2018, 06:17 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,772 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None
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Well with all the rain we may have a moat soon.
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| mb911 |
Jan 28 2018, 06:19 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,729 Joined: 2-January 09 From: Burlington wi Member No.: 9,892 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Jan 28 2018, 03:22 PM) After a decade there isn't much left to talk about but new things.... Group Buys make alot of what 914Rubber does possible. Without the sudden influx of cash to pay for the tooling things would take longer or possibly never to happen. Plus there is a volume discount on their end so remaining stock is better priced on our end. I'm likely like others in that I search the garage for an answer first, so the best solution might be found in a "GB" thread, where as I rarely look in Vendors for a "how to". So it's a matter of being where the action is. In the garages I've been in at least, we talk about things other than torque values when working. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) But note I am one of those guys many are referring to.. I also do share my build, my projects, my ideas good or bad, and sometimes my frustration. I must say I read almost everything posted. I even commented on someone else's group buy about how nice the product is as I had bought them last time around.. I always feel like big brother is watching on pelican which sucks as far as I am concerned though I do understand it.. |
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| ConeDodger |
Jan 28 2018, 06:21 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 24,396 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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Actually, many times the posts turn in to forum discussion. Mark and Matt have actually been responsive to change suggestions and they even call forum members who regularly buy from them and ask “what should we make next?”
Engman (RIP) never really announced anything. You had to find out by seeing someone else review his stuff and go “oh damn! I got to have me some of that!” |
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| ConeDodger |
Jan 28 2018, 06:23 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 24,396 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Jan 28 2018, 09:17 PM) Well with all the rain we may have a moat soon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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