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getting real old, I thought I would be finished by now.... |
bd1308 |
Jun 19 2005, 12:33 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
so anyway i'm bolting the exhaust up and i notice that the studs are broken on one cylinder....so i need to replace the studs.....
dad got the MAPP torch out ( woah) and i told him too hot. went and bought a propane torch, heated the head up till the flame went out (gust of air) so around 5 minutes for both studs...they wont budge is it kosher to buy a (x)MM drill bit, chop off the stud to level and drill and tap out to (x+1)mm? |
bd1308 |
Jun 19 2005, 12:34 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
i really need your help here......
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Joe Bob |
Jun 19 2005, 12:37 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Best to get it out with heat....use the MAPP gas, it won't melt the stud.....
How are you try to bust them loose? I use a pair of vice grips, oven mitt for my hand and put turning pressure on the stud while heating it up.....it's the combination of heat AND torque that breaks them loose. Drilling is the LAST resort. |
bd1308 |
Jun 19 2005, 12:57 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
white flame, not blue right???
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Dr. Roger |
Jun 19 2005, 01:26 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
I just lived through removing a twisted off a crankshaft harmonic balancer bolt.
It was a grade 5 hardened bolt and snapped off with about 125lbs of torque. Yes, it was my own damn fault..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) I used one of these and i'm sold on 'em. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) I soaked the bolt for a day before extraction. Go slow, be patient, and follow the instructions. http://www.drivewerks.com/catalog/ShopCart..._CAT332_pg9.htm (IMG:http://www.drivewerks.com/catalog/images/tools2003/LIS-62900.jpg) Best of luck. |
Dr. Roger |
Jun 19 2005, 01:29 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
Oh, and you are heating the surrounding aluminum and not the stud, right?
Doesn't heating the stud make it tighter ? |
bd1308 |
Jun 19 2005, 02:09 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
yup....i'm heating the surround. You're correct....heating the steel stud will make things tighter instead of the desired effect....
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Aaron Cox |
Jun 19 2005, 02:20 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
done yet?
vice grips/oven mit/torch do it. use the force. dont want to see you posting until youve completed your task AA |
SirAndy |
Jun 19 2005, 03:09 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,675 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
i'm sure you already know that but sometimes it's easier to brake them lose if you try to tighten it just a bit first, then try to back it out ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy |
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bd1308 |
Jun 19 2005, 08:20 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
i'm stressed. tried MAPP, propane, oven mitt, no oven mitt (oouch), doing it sideways straight up back ward forward, nothing......
will try tomorrow again. |
redshift |
Jun 19 2005, 08:40 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
Stay with it Britt! You aren't that far from done.... for a minute.
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RAR |
Jun 19 2005, 08:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 189 Joined: 24-January 04 From: Washington state Member No.: 1,598 |
Another thread just suggested melting paraffin into the threads after heating. Brilliant solution if it works, as it appears it did.
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Aaron Cox |
Jun 19 2005, 10:58 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
how can wax defy gravity? if im not mistaken...he is upside down under a car... |
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redshift |
Jun 19 2005, 11:05 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
surface tension.. it works..
Slight void between two parts sucks. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) M |
bd1308 |
Jun 20 2005, 06:25 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
was thinking the exact same thing. i am upside down and I'd be REALLY pissed if i got hot wax all over my face. but yeah i'm confused on this point too. I could make alot of money by going to bars and showing everybody the gravity-defying wax trick. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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Jakester |
Jun 20 2005, 09:56 AM
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lurking instead of working Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 18-May 05 From: Palo Alto, CA Member No.: 4,097 |
It's called capillary action - it's the same reason liquid can travel up a rag soaking in it (like a wick in an oil lamp, for instance).
Here is an explanation As far as wax on your face - you're on your own there (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) |
SLITS |
Jun 20 2005, 10:06 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Sometimes you can take a center punch and give the stud a good smack to jar it. If you could obtain a syringe and you were fast, you could defy gravity and shoot the wax on the stud base.
Hot wax.....it melts with hot water (dutch boiler). |
ArtechnikA |
Jun 20 2005, 11:52 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
The Usual Sources make metric left-hand drills and stud extractors that do not just wedge the stud in tighter. sometimes drilling out the center of the stud relieves enough tension that it will simply screw itself out along with the drill bit.
Sears sells a set of screw extractors and the left-hand extractors - forget what cute name they call them buy (Bolt-Out maybe...) because i always just call them "Screw-Ups" - since that's what they're designed to fix... Sears doesn't make them, they just repackage them under the Craftsman label - the OEM name is still on them - but i don't have one here to examine... |
Jakester |
Jun 20 2005, 12:02 PM
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lurking instead of working Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 18-May 05 From: Palo Alto, CA Member No.: 4,097 |
I think they are called "easy outs". I've used them many times with mixed success. They seem to break about 50% of the the time, especially when you are using the smaller ones. There are great when they work but a pain when they break (since they're hardened and will foil even the best drill bits) |
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ClayPerrine |
Jun 20 2005, 12:25 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,512 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Are there any threads left on the stud? If so, put a nut on the stud, and using a ox-acetelyne torch, weld the nut to the stud. Wait for it to cool, and then use a socket to unscrew the stud.
This can be done even if the stud is stripped. All you have to do is to get the nut over the stud and weld it on. This has always worked for me. Now fixing the head when the stud pulls the threads out, that is another story. HELICOILS SUCK!!!! |
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