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How do i start gathering suspension parts for a 4lug, Where to buy, what to pay , options , opinions |
thelogo |
Apr 1 2019, 11:09 AM
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What to keep the car 4 lug fuchs But i honestly dont know much about 914 suspension philosophy or even what parts i need or where to start. I have really studied the elephant racing suspension builder . but before i pull the trigger on something that expensive i wanted to check here Car is only driven on street What do i need And what kinda budget will i need I already have new rear springs yet to be installed But thats all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) |
rhodyguy |
Apr 1 2019, 11:14 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,093 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Depends on how deep you go and what components you decide upon. Balljoints, tie rods, alignment/corner bal? $1.2k?
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dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Apr 1 2019, 11:14 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,896 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
suspension should be good, I would test it first, the old bounce test on the shocks, the height test on the rear springs. All you should really need is a set of springs, and then front Strut inserts, rear shocks
optionally ball joints, tie rods sway bar bushings (if so equipped) rear shock bushings, Never replace the front and rear a arm bushings unless they are totally worn out, very hard to do and a lot of labor What to keep the car 4 lug fuchs But i honestly dont know much about 914 suspension philosophy or even what parts i need or where to start. I have really studied the elephant racing suspension builder . but before i pull the trigger on something that expensive i wanted to check here Car is only driven on street What do i need And what kinda budget will i need I already have new rear springs yet to be installed But thats all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) |
ndfrigi |
Apr 1 2019, 11:20 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,933 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Orange County Member No.: 13,474 Region Association: Southern California |
for street driving. Maybe u can just ask member here for wtb good used front inserts and rear struts (since u have new spring already) like bilstein or koni. Just need to borrow free loaner spring compression from pepboys or oreily’s.
Easy to replace them. maybe 3 hours or one morning with lots of relaxation during replacement will do. |
thelogo |
Apr 1 2019, 11:52 AM
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Depends on how deep you go and what components you decide upon. Balljoints, tie rods, alignment/corner bal? $1.2k? Im guessing i will have to go deep because Nothing has been serviced on the suspension in at least 10 years .rear bottoms out often And front is bone crushing hard as a rock But i can handle 1200 hundred |
preach |
Apr 1 2019, 12:36 PM
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Ridge Runner Group: Members Posts: 1,029 Joined: 27-March 10 From: Live Free or Die Member No.: 11,513 Region Association: North East States |
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jmitro |
Apr 1 2019, 01:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 713 Joined: 23-July 15 From: Oklahoma Member No.: 18,986 Region Association: None |
why don't you start by telling us what you have to start with and what you're trying to accomplish?
I replaced every single suspension item but my car is a total restoration |
bbrock |
Apr 1 2019, 01:27 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I'm just finishing the complete suspension rebuild on my resto (getting new tires this week (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) ) My rough guess is I have about $1.5K in parts in it not counting the tires. Here's what I put in and the sources:
- A-arm bushings - 914Rubber - Rear trailing arm bushings - 914Rubber (these are the hard bushings. Elephant Racing has the only OEM type rubber bushings I know of but 914Rubber is working on them). - Front/Rear sway bar bushings - 914Rubber and Porsche - Lemforder turbo tie rod kit - PMB Performance - Lemforder ball joints - PMB Performance - Bistein front/rear - PMB Performance and Amazon My rear springs tested close to stock numbers so I kept them. Easy to replace if they start to sag. |
Chi-town |
Apr 1 2019, 01:38 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 850 Joined: 31-August 18 From: Disneyland Member No.: 22,446 Region Association: Southern California |
@bbrock has the right idea, keep it simple and stock and you'll be happy.
I would add a set of the 100lb 914 Rubber rear springs to replace the 40 year old stock units. If you want to do a bit more agressive you can add bigger torsion bars, front sway bar (rear really isn't needed), and stiffer rear springs (140lb). |
ClayPerrine |
Apr 1 2019, 05:46 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,520 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
If you want to do a bit more agressive you can add bigger torsion bars, front sway bar (rear really isn't needed), and stiffer rear springs (140lb). I disagree. If you don't put 140lbs springs on the back and you install both front and rear sway bars, you get a better ride and flat cornering. We have been running that setup for 30 years on Betty's car. |
thelogo |
Apr 1 2019, 06:54 PM
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What about and what exactly is rear coil over conversion
And what shocks are adjustable for ride height ? Koni ? Because you guys have to remember freewaays of los Angeles can be like a concrete buckboard . Not great roads by any means . |
worn |
Apr 1 2019, 07:36 PM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,164 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
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Coondog |
Apr 1 2019, 07:54 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,089 Joined: 24-September 15 From: Apple Valley Calif Member No.: 19,195 Region Association: Southern California |
The best place to get your answer is to sign up and attend the West Coast Ramble. WTF Dude you live in Monrovia step up and show your support.
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mepstein |
Apr 1 2019, 08:08 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,315 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Clay's suggestion is right on for a good riding car that can handle. Usually, new shocks f & r (anything but KYB's), new rear springs 90-100lb and front & rear anti sway bars. Turbo tie rods and ball joints because they are usually worn out unless you know they have been done already. If you go heavier springs and torsion bars, it's really easy to get a harsh ride if the roads are rough. Especially torsion bars since you feel the harshness through the wheel. If you want or need new suspension bushings, that means taking the whole suspension apart so plan on a much bigger job.
BTW - It helps to use the proper tools to assemble the suspension but a large pipe wrench is the right tool to remove the top cap on the strut insert and the threaded ring that holds the ball joint to the a-arm. An impact wrench with a socket removes the top nut that secures the front strut in the car in seconds. |
thelogo |
Apr 1 2019, 08:20 PM
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bbrock |
Apr 1 2019, 08:24 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,269 Joined: 17-February 17 From: Montana Member No.: 20,845 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
What about and what exactly is rear coil over conversion And what shocks are adjustable for ride height ? Koni ? Because you guys have to remember freewaays of los Angeles can be like a concrete buckboard . Not great roads by any means . Depends on how adjustable you want it I think. Bilsteins have a series of grooves for moving the lower spring perch to adjust the height, but you have to remove the shocks and springs to do it. It's more of a get it where you like and leave it thing. I'm not sure, but I think coilovers can be adjusted without taking them off. Konis are adjustable for ride firmness but I don't know about height. |
PanelBilly |
Apr 1 2019, 08:32 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,817 Joined: 23-July 06 From: Kent, Wa Member No.: 6,488 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I’d buy a big box of dounuts and invite some of the locals over to look things over.
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barefoot |
Apr 2 2019, 04:34 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,281 Joined: 19-March 13 From: Charleston SC Member No.: 15,673 Region Association: South East States |
[quote name='dr914@autoatlanta.com' date='Apr 1 2019, 01:14 PM' post='2701705']
suspension should be good, I would test it first, the old bounce test on the shocks, the height test on the rear springs. All you should really need is a set of springs, and then front Strut inserts, rear shocks optionally ball joints, tie rods sway bar bushings (if so equipped) rear shock bushings, Never replace the front and rear a arm bushings unless they are totally worn out, very hard to do and a lot of labor [quote] I find that the front rear A-arm bushings are toast as most of the weight is carried by these. When deformed the torsion bars start rubbing inside the arm and corrosion starts leading to fracture at that point. I've replaced broken torsion bars Barefoot |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Apr 2 2019, 08:16 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,896 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
should really be ok, suspension is quite rugged
Depends on how deep you go and what components you decide upon. Balljoints, tie rods, alignment/corner bal? $1.2k? Im guessing i will have to go deep because Nothing has been serviced on the suspension in at least 10 years .rear bottoms out often And front is bone crushing hard as a rock But i can handle 1200 hundred |
914werke |
Apr 2 2019, 09:21 AM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,141 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
What about and what exactly is rear coil over conversion, And what shocks are adjustable for ride height ? Koni ? I assume you are talking about the "coil overs" kits for the rear from the likes of Paragon & other using the 2.5 in springs. There are coil-over kits for the fronts but those are really for full on race setups that provide more/easier adjust-ability than the torsion rods available especially for the /4. You can apply those kits to most R replacement shocks Bils, Konis, Boges and they will provide a finer ability to adjust both ride height & corner balance than just the snap ring setting, for instance, mentioned previously on the Bils. |
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