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| shane |
 Aug 4 2019, 08:47 AM
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In just getting everything together and excited to finally after a few long years start up my teener I managed to hook up the points to the + side a melt the points wire. I’m replacing the condenser and points is it likely I messed up the coil too. Was just going to replace points condenser first then go from there. Should I be looking for other things also? Thanks in advance for any and all guidance here as I’m not an expert car guy.
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| iankarr |
Aug 4 2019, 11:20 AM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,481 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region 
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I’d consider swapping the points for a pertronix ignitor II unit. I know this sparks debate (pun intended), but electronic modules help the car start faster and idle better. Plus they never need adjusting like points. Less maintenance is always nice. Especially if you don’t wrench a lot...
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| Superhawk996 |
Aug 4 2019, 01:53 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,900 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 10:47 AM)  Was just going to replace points condenser first then go from there. Wont hurt to replace the condensor but a condensor is really just a capacitor. Capacitors cannot flow DC current. It is only there to absorb, instantaneous (transient) voltage spikes that are created as the points open and close. It helps avoid arc burning of the points. So although you had enough DC current flow to melt the wire to the points (because they were closed to ground when you connected to DC +), the condensor (again - just a capacitor) didn't flow that same current. I know you'll feel better replacing it but thought it might help ease your mind if you don't have one handy. Coil itself should be fine. Again, it wasn't part of the circuit that got shorted to ground. In fact, the coil really is momentarily shorted to ground as the points open and close. That is it's normal mode of operation. However, since you put the points on the + terminal, there was no current flow though the coil windings. FYI -- 1st check that the fuse that feeds 12v to the coil is the proper sized fuse. If is the proper OEM size, you likely didn't hurt the wiring for which the fuse was sized. My car is in pieces, but, as I recall the points wire is smaller gauge wire than the 12V+ feed so the points wire likely was the "fuse". I wouldn't hurt to check at least look as far "upstream" from the coil + as you can easily see to make sure there was no melting going on in the 12V+ coil feed. Wiring Diagram is your friend for the details. |
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| shane |
Aug 4 2019, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Aug 4 2019, 12:53 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 10:47 AM) Was just going to replace points condenser first then go from there. Wont hurt to replace the condensor but a condensor is really just a capacitor. Capacitors cannot flow DC current. It is only there to absorb, instantaneous voltage spikes that are created as the points open and close. It helps avoid arc burning of the points. So although you had enough DC current flow to melt the wire to the points (because they were closed to ground when you connected to DC +), the condensor (again - just a capacitor) didn't flow that same current. I know you'll feel better replacing it but thought it might help ease your mind if you don't have one handy. |
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| Superhawk996 |
Aug 4 2019, 02:15 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,900 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 04:00 PM) Great thank you, how about damage to the coil? See above - I was editing on the fly as you posted |
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| shane |
Aug 4 2019, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Aug 4 2019, 01:15 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 04:00 PM) Great thank you, how about damage to the coil? See above - I was editing on the fly as you posted Thanks a bunch checked what you said and everything is good!!! |
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| shane |
Aug 4 2019, 08:05 PM
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Besides the carb (PO) is my firing order wrong somehow on my distributor? TDC on #1 on compression stroke points at #1 plug wire. I have fuel and compression, shot some fogging oil in each hole cause I haven’t started the engine for a few years. 12volt at coil points and condenser are new And gaped. But haven’t looked yet to see if I have hot spark, I will tomorrow. I only get a muddering Light backfiring.
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| shane |
Aug 4 2019, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 07:05 PM) Besides the carb (PO) is my firing order wrong somehow on my distributor? TDC on #1 on compression stroke points at #1 plug wire. I have fuel and compression, shot some fogging oil in each hole cause I haven’t started the engine for a few years. 12volt at coil points and condenser are new And gaped. But haven’t looked yet to see if I have hot spark, I will tomorrow. I only get a muddering Light backfiring.  |
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| ClayPerrine |
Aug 4 2019, 08:56 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,520 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 09:07 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 07:05 PM) Besides the carb (PO) is my firing order wrong somehow on my distributor? TDC on #1 on compression stroke points at #1 plug wire. I have fuel and compression, shot some fogging oil in each hole cause I haven’t started the engine for a few years. 12volt at coil points and condenser are new And gaped. But haven’t looked yet to see if I have hot spark, I will tomorrow. I only get a muddering Light backfiring. Your plug wires are wrong, or the distributor drive in the case is in wrong. Right front distributor tower connects to right front plug. Right rear distributor tower goes to right rear plug. Left front distributor tower goes to left REAR plug. Left rear distributor tower goes to left FRONT plug. Clay |
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| shane |
Aug 4 2019, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Aug 4 2019, 07:56 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 09:07 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 07:05 PM) Besides the carb (PO) is my firing order wrong somehow on my distributor? TDC on #1 on compression stroke points at #1 plug wire. I have fuel and compression, shot some fogging oil in each hole cause I haven’t started the engine for a few years. 12volt at coil points and condenser are new And gaped. But haven’t looked yet to see if I have hot spark, I will tomorrow. I only get a muddering Light backfiring. Your plug wires are wrong, or the distributor drive in the case is in wrong. Right front distributor tower connects to right front plug. Right rear distributor tower goes to right rear plug. Left front distributor tower goes to left REAR plug. Left rear distributor tower goes to left FRONT plug. I’ll look again but the distributor and engine ran before and the distributor only goes in one way. I watched the #1 piston come all the way up on compression stroke and that is where the rotor was on that tower of the cap where I have #1. But obviously I did something wrong cause I got almost nothing when I try to start it. Thanks for the info I’ll try to figure it out. Clay |
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| shane |
Aug 4 2019, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 08:07 PM) QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Aug 4 2019, 07:56 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 09:07 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 07:05 PM) Besides the carb (PO) is my firing order wrong somehow on my distributor? TDC on #1 on compression stroke points at #1 plug wire. I have fuel and compression, shot some fogging oil in each hole cause I haven’t started the engine for a few years. 12volt at coil points and condenser are new And gaped. But haven’t looked yet to see if I have hot spark, I will tomorrow. I only get a muddering Light backfiring. Your plug wires are wrong, or the distributor drive in the case is in wrong. Right front distributor tower connects to right front plug. Right rear distributor tower goes to right rear plug. Left front distributor tower goes to left REAR plug. Left rear distributor tower goes to left FRONT plug. I’ll look again but the distributor and engine ran before and the distributor only goes in one way. I watched the #1 piston come all the way up on compression stroke and that is where the rotor was on that tower of the cap where I have #1. But obviously I did something wrong cause I got almost nothing when I try to start it. Thanks for the info I’ll try to figure it out. Crap!!! forgot to mention it’s not a stock distributor Clay |
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| shane |
Aug 4 2019, 09:16 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 355 Joined: 12-February 13 Member No.: 15,518 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 08:15 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 08:07 PM) QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Aug 4 2019, 07:56 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 09:07 PM) QUOTE(shane @ Aug 4 2019, 07:05 PM) Besides the carb (PO) is my firing order wrong somehow on my distributor? TDC on #1 on compression stroke points at #1 plug wire. I have fuel and compression, shot some fogging oil in each hole cause I haven’t started the engine for a few years. 12volt at coil points and condenser are new And gaped. But haven’t looked yet to see if I have hot spark, I will tomorrow. I only get a muddering Light backfiring. Your plug wires are wrong, or the distributor drive in the case is in wrong. Right front distributor tower connects to right front plug. Right rear distributor tower goes to right rear plug. Left front distributor tower goes to left REAR plug. Left rear distributor tower goes to left FRONT plug. I’ll look again but the distributor and engine ran before and the distributor only goes in one way. I watched the #1 piston come all the way up on compression stroke and that is where the rotor was on that tower of the cap where I have #1. But obviously I did something wrong cause I got almost nothing when I try to start it. Thanks for the info I’ll try to figure it out. Crap!!! forgot to mention it’s not a stock distributor Clay Crap!!! forgot to mention it’s not a stock distributor |
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