 914 newby buyer, Is 6000.00 a decent buy for 71 914 |
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| Ratrod87 |
 Sep 6 2019, 06:26 AM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None  |
Hello I'm hoping someone can tell me if 6000.00 is a decent price for a 71 porche 914. I recently came across one for sale locally and immediately fell in love with the car. I have never owned a porche and know very little about them. This car seems to be rust free other than the hell hole and I saw three little paint bubbles on the passenger side door. The car is the original color but has obviously been repainted at some point and no be longer has original engine or transmission. It currently has a carburated 2.0 bus engine and short throw 5speed according to current owner. The interior is mostly original and in decent condition with only minor flaws and comes with new carpet kit. Rockers, floor pans appear to be rust free and it has been garage kept. It does run. Any advice would be much appreciated.
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| mepstein |
Sep 6 2019, 06:40 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,325 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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It’s not going to be rust free other than the hell hole - never. Fresh paint covers many sins. And regarding the hell hole, a hole in the engine shelf means the battery acid infused water has washed over the lower suspension points and inner long. $3k repair.
Without seeing more, sounds like a $2-3k car. At the very least, have someone who knows these cars take a look. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
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| jdamiano |
Sep 6 2019, 06:48 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 335 Joined: 18-March 18 From: Jacksonville Member No.: 21,981 Region Association: South East States |
Mine had superficial Hell hole rust that didn’t get into the structural stuff. You have to look under to see if the rust is bad. 6k is probably high for what you’re describing. Get and post more pictures.
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| Cairo94507 |
Sep 6 2019, 06:53 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,842 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) These cars can be a can of worms. Mark (meptein) is giving you sound advice. Get the car up on a lift and have someone knowledgable inspect it for hidden damage and rust. Better to pay a little more for a car that has been inspected thoroughly than but what you hope might be a great car only to be disappointed once you begin digging into it. Regardless, have fun as you learn about the 914. They are great little cars a a ton of fun to drive. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 08:15 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(mepstein @ Sep 6 2019, 06:40 AM)  It’s not going to be rust free other than the hell hole - never. Fresh paint covers many sins. And regarding the hell hole, a hole in the engine shelf means the battery acid infused water has washed over the lower suspension points and inner long. $3k repair. Without seeing more, sounds like a $2-3k car. At the very least, have someone who knows these cars take a look. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) I'm trying to figure out how to post pictures, I'm new here and I'm not good with computers so please forgive me. |
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 08:22 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Sep 6 2019, 06:53 AM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) These cars can be a can of worms. Mark (meptein) is giving you sound advice. Get the car up on a lift and have someone knowledgable inspect it for hidden damage and rust. Better to pay a little more for a car that has been inspected thoroughly than but what you hope might be a great car only to be disappointed once you begin digging into it. Regardless, have fun as you learn about the 914. They are great little cars a a ton of fun to drive. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) I have a car lift at home, the gentleman that currently owns the car said if I buy the car and find anything major wrong with the car other than what he told me about that he would refund the money. Ive always had hotrods and custom cars nearly my whole life but im new to porches, and I'm very mechanically inclined but nervous about spending more on the car than it's worth. I'm also not sure if parts are even available for it. Thanks for the help everyone is awesome here!!! |
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Sep 6 2019, 09:29 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,900 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
anytime anyone is thinking about purchasing a 914 they are welcome to send me a photo shoot for my review and comments, maybe before making a bad mistake, or coming across a real deal. Most prospective 914 buyers do not know what they are looking at and can really get burned, thinking that with the high prices 914s are commanding that they have come across a real bargain. Bottom line is that a 914 costs every bit as much as a 911 to restore
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 10:20 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Sep 6 2019, 09:29 AM) anytime anyone is thinking about purchasing a 914 they are welcome to send me a photo shoot for my review and comments, maybe before making a bad mistake, or coming across a real deal. Most prospective 914 buyers do not know what they are looking at and can really get burned, thinking that with the high prices 914s are commanding that they have come across a real bargain. Bottom line is that a 914 costs every bit as much as a 911 to restore Thank you for your advice, if you don't mind I will send some pictures of the car if I can figure out how to for you to look at and get your opinion. My 9 yr old son loves the car and wants me to buy it , I also like the car but don't won't to get another money pit as that is usually what happens to me. |
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 10:24 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 10:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 10:26 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 10:27 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 10:29 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 10:33 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
I pulled back the carpets in the trunk and inside the cockpit and didn't see any signs of rust or repair. The doors opened and closed perfectly. The head lights worked. The longs looked perfect except for directly under the battery was the only place and it didn't look to awful. |
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| iankarr |
Sep 6 2019, 10:57 AM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,482 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region
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– The interior looks good, with the exception of the carpet, obv.
– The left rear wheel well arch inside the trunk looks like there's been some damage that hasn't been repaired properly. – Impossible to tell if the longs are good without removing the rocker covers. The right side door gap looks consistent (at least in that photo), so that's a good sign...but rust in the hell hole / long area is just too costsly to guess about. Have someone who really knows these cars do a PPI. Def take George up on his offer to look at pics – The single carb setup is far from optimal. You'd need to invest in better fuel delivery from day 1 to have a reliable, decent performing driver. My gut is 6K is too much for this car. Even at 3K, if there's extensive rust, it may not be something you want to take on. Especially with a non-matching engine. Good luck with whatever you decide! |
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 11:55 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(cuddy_k @ Sep 6 2019, 10:57 AM) – The interior looks good, with the exception of the carpet, obv. – The left rear wheel well arch inside the trunk looks like there's been some damage that hasn't been repaired properly. – Impossible to tell if the longs are good without removing the rocker covers. The right side door gap looks consistent (at least in that photo), so that's a good sign...but rust in the hell hole / long area is just too costsly to guess about. Have someone who really knows these cars do a PPI. Def take George up on his offer to look at pics – The single carb setup is far from optimal. You'd need to invest in better fuel delivery from day 1 to have a reliable, decent performing driver. My gut is 6K is too much for this car. Even at 3K, if there's extensive rust, it may not be something you want to take on. Especially with a non-matching engine. So if I offer the guy 3000.00 would that be insulting to him? Im not wanting to fully restore the car just thought it would be a fun car to drive around town in and get my son's involved in also a good date night car with the wifey. If I have to do a little repair I'm fine with that I just don't want to be upside down on the car with more money invested than it's worth. Good luck with whatever you decide! |
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| Superhawk996 |
Sep 6 2019, 03:01 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,916 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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It's not insulting to do a walk around and point out the flaws and negotiate the price accordingly.
If he's insulted by that, you have the wrong car and wrong seller. On a side note, 40 year old 914's all need something be it routine maintenance or some degree of restoration. Most hobby cars are upside down if you were to factor in labor at shop rate. Most just won't admit to that. My billable rate is standard hobby rate of $0.01/hr and I'm underwater at that labor rate! Whatever you do . . . . do not purchase without having the outer rocker covers pulled for an inspection. |
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| iankarr |
Sep 6 2019, 03:22 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,482 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region
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Have you checked out the classified section here on 914world? I'd feel much better about buying from a member who has a vested interest in not scamming you....(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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| Ratrod87 |
Sep 6 2019, 03:56 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 69 Joined: 4-September 19 From: Ft Mitchell Alabama Member No.: 23,429 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(cuddy_k @ Sep 6 2019, 03:22 PM) Have you checked out the classified section here on 914world? I'd feel much better about buying from a member who has a vested interest in not scamming you....(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I have been looking at the classifieds on this site, seems like the prices are all over the place , cars that I browsed on here that seem like they are in the same price range seem to be in worse shape then the one I'm looking at of course that may not be the case. The one thing that has me nervous about the car I'm looking at is it doesn't have the original drivetrain. He fired it up and it seemed to run good other than a lifter tapping which he attributed to the car sitting for a while and having hydraulic lifters. The hell hole doesn't bother me very much because I have lots of experience dealing with repairing rust because of all the other cars I have owned and my personal shop has a car lift and would be very easy for me to remove the drive train to repair the hell hole correctly. I guess I have some thinking to do. Thanks everyone for the advice. |
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| Superhawk996 |
Sep 6 2019, 04:19 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,916 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch
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QUOTE(Ratrod87 @ Sep 6 2019, 05:56 PM) He fired it up and it seemed to run good other than a lifter tapping which he attributed to the car sitting for a while and having hydraulic lifters. The hell hole doesn't bother me very much because I have lots of experience dealing with repairing rust because of all the other cars I have owned and my personal shop has a car lift and would be very easy for me to remove the drive train to repair the hell hole correctly. I guess I have some thinking to do. Thanks everyone for the advice. Hydraulic lifters are a giant red flag. OEM is solid lifter. Hydraulic is not the way to go for 914's. Make sure this isn't a bus motor via engine serial number. Even if it is a 914 case, someone has rebuilt it with hydraulic lifters and a hydraulic lifter cam. Not a good selling point. Only way to fix is to split case and rebuild the engine. EDIT: oops -- sorry I missed that you already know it is a bus engine. Even worse! The rust should scare the crap out of you. I have lots of experience with metal fabrication. I built this tank from scratch.  Rust in the hell hole should not be underestimated. The rust on my car scares the crap out of me and like you, I know what I'm doing and have the tools to fix it. Fixing hell hole and longitudinal rust is not easy (or cheap). . |
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