can you buy a crate 2056?, looking to just pop in an engine versus rebulding |
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can you buy a crate 2056?, looking to just pop in an engine versus rebulding |
Type 47 |
Aug 14 2020, 03:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 783 Joined: 1-June 10 From: St. Louis, MO Member No.: 11,790 Region Association: None |
If you can buy a crate engine, who sells them?
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Montreal914 |
Aug 14 2020, 03:59 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,571 Joined: 8-August 10 From: Claremont, CA Member No.: 12,023 Region Association: Southern California |
Talk to @McMark .
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Rand |
Aug 14 2020, 04:18 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
McMark has been absent too long. I would have said yes first to McMcark. Raby bailed. Everyone is bailing. I guess air cooled fours have proven to be less than optimal power plants. FAT???
Hmm, maybe there's a market left by absence? |
Craigers17 |
Aug 14 2020, 04:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 738 Joined: 5-August 17 From: Rome, GA Member No.: 21,317 Region Association: South East States |
Pretty sure that Raby and McMark are still in the Type 4 engine building business,... the question is how much do you want to spend, and, more importantly, how long can you wait. I guarantee both guys are inundated with jobs.
That said, there are many others on this very site that can build you an engine. Hopefully, a couple will post. I would also put a WTB ad in the classifieds, as someone probably has something close to your specs that is ready to install, but they might be leaning towards something else. Finally, if you go to The Samba, you can also find multiple vendors who build Type 4's. Just do your homework before you pull the trigger. |
Superhawk996 |
Aug 14 2020, 04:50 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,875 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
I guess air cooled fours have proven to be less than optimal power plants. FAT??? Less to do with a T4 being a less than optimal powerplant. Has everything to do with the cost of parts and cost of skilled labor. Current situation is that many are infatuated with trying to make a comparison between modern water pumpers HP output vs. 1960's & early 70's aircooled technology (which was really 40's technology (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)) Easier to cut up a 914 to make a Porscharu with a junkyard motor than to buy a properly built and sorted 2056 that makes less HP. Bottom line comes down to how much you value a vintage 914 as it was orginally conceived and built. |
thelogo |
Aug 14 2020, 05:00 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,510 Joined: 6-April 10 Member No.: 11,572 Region Association: None |
If you can buy a crate engine, who sells them? I cringe to mention it . but scat engines are technically a 2056 crate motor . i wouldnt trust it but other run them Look for a guy going to a /6 and make a generous offer for the /4 Other wise you'll be spending tons of time and money for just a nice motor . not a powerhouse Im considering selling my just broken in 2336 . its Plug and play from carbs to headers (nice motor) But that could be a pretty narrow market. With that beast And i imagine after i sell the big 4 It will cost as much as the sale price just to rebuild the original 1.7 and ill have about half the power for the same price .... |
porschetub |
Aug 14 2020, 07:11 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,703 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
Pretty sure that Raby and McMark are still in the Type 4 engine building business,... the question is how much do you want to spend, and, more importantly, how long can you wait. I guarantee both guys are inundated with jobs. That said, there are many others on this very site that can build you an engine. Hopefully, a couple will post. I would also put a WTB ad in the classifieds, as someone probably has something close to your specs that is ready to install, but they might be leaning towards something else. Finally, if you go to The Samba, you can also find multiple vendors who build Type 4's. Just do your homework before you pull the trigger. Beware of some of the T4 rebuilds on the Samba.....some are way too cheap and doing generally tell too much about headwork....which we all know is the weakest point in these engines. I don't believe anyone has performance longblocks ready to go,the better guys build to order cause there is always different customer needs. Go to would be FAT or mcmark ,known good builders ,not sure what RAT is going but that will be expensive.....don't know the OP's budget ?? |
HAM Inc |
Aug 14 2020, 07:49 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 846 Joined: 24-July 06 From: Watkinsville,GA Member No.: 6,499 Region Association: None |
Buy a T4 Store kit and build it yourself.
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wes |
Aug 14 2020, 08:11 PM
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wes Group: Members Posts: 1,589 Joined: 8-December 07 From: Ukiah Ca Member No.: 8,436 Region Association: Northern California |
Maybe just lucky but I bought a 2056 Fat Preformance balanced/blueprinted Stroker with 1,000 miles on it from a member here who did a Corvette swap. Great engine all I did was swap out the empi Webber’s for 45 Dellorto’s and change the oil, couldn’t be happier. As mentioned above put a want to buy add for what you want, you never know till you ask!
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ConeDodger |
Aug 14 2020, 09:26 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,605 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California |
McMark has been absent too long. I would have said yes first to McMcark. Raby bailed. Everyone is bailing. I guess air cooled fours have proven to be less than optimal power plants. FAT??? Hmm, maybe there's a market left by absence? That’s crap. McMark didn’t bail. He’s just not overtly active. |
sreyemj |
Aug 15 2020, 08:53 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 87 Joined: 12-January 20 From: SA, TX Member No.: 23,821 Region Association: None |
McMark has been absent too long. I would have said yes first to McMcark. Raby bailed. Everyone is bailing. I guess air cooled fours have proven to be less than optimal power plants. FAT??? Hmm, maybe there's a market left by absence? That’s crap. McMark didn’t bail. He’s just not overtly active. He emailed me back a few months after I inquired about an engine. He's not even taking wait list requests right now. May be great engines, but useless if you can't buy one! |
Al Meredith |
Aug 15 2020, 10:38 AM
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rhodyguy |
Aug 15 2020, 10:45 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,084 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
The $ for Jake Raby is not found in 2056s. Bigger displacement and fixes for Boxster engines.
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mepstein |
Aug 15 2020, 10:48 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,305 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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rhodyguy |
Aug 15 2020, 10:58 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,084 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Add in aluminum cyls and a set of Hoffman heads and the price explodes. Case machine work? What ever the market will bear. Shipping to and fro adds up.
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Unobtanium-inc |
Aug 15 2020, 11:00 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,212 Joined: 29-November 06 From: New York Member No.: 7,276 Region Association: None |
The $ for Jake Raby is not found in 2056s. Bigger displacement and fixes for Boxster engines. He told me his engines start at $20K. Sounds crazy but I think it’s more suited to the 356 crowd who want a hot rod engine without modifying their stock engine. $20,000 in 356 land isn't that eye opening, so you're probably right. |
rhodyguy |
Aug 15 2020, 11:03 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,084 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Starts at 2270 cc? Then that requires other expenses to optimize performance. Most #s are in the thousands. Multiples of.
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thelogo |
Aug 15 2020, 11:11 AM
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When it starts costing more then /6 engines
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) |
Rand |
Aug 15 2020, 01:43 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
McMark has been absent too long. I would have said yes first to McMcark. Raby bailed. Everyone is bailing. I guess air cooled fours have proven to be less than optimal power plants. FAT??? Hmm, maybe there's a market left by absence? That’s crap. McMark didn’t bail. He’s just not overtly active. To be 100% clear, I only have 100% respect for McMark. I would buy from him first without hesitation. That's why I said it!! But it isn't crap if he isn't here. I miss the bro on here! Don't try to turn my post negative. |
mepstein |
Aug 15 2020, 03:18 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,305 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
When it starts costing more then /6 engines (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Number of cylinders is immaterial. Restoring a 356 engine can cost way more than a six, a Polopolus engine runs $25-40K and all those numbers pale in comparison to the 4 cam Fuhrmann engine. A $20K hot type 4 can be a cost saving measure. |
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