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1st Creamsicle built, and lowest VIN 914LE as confirmed by PCNA. This CS needs a total restoration but...This is a significant 914 being both the 1st 914LE and 1st Creamsicle. I saw this car in 2005 in SoCal, it was not running then, was mildly rusty and looks about the same today, but it had already been sold to the owner in VT who is apprently now deceased. Its now resurfaced, available and apparently in driveable condition. A great opportunity for someone to rescue and revive. It had an original LE spoiler on it then and by the damage marks I see on it now compared to then, its the same one.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-f...14/2607915.html

VIN indicated in the listing is not correct. It is 4742914348

Auction info is here. https://auction.owlshead.org/

https://auction.owlshead.org/listing/1974-porsche-914/

8/24/2022 to 8/27/2022
When: Wednesday, August 24—Saturday, August 27, 2022
Opening times vary during auction week
Where: Owls Head Transportation Museum / Main Display
117 Museum Street
Owls Head, Maine
United States
Contact: Toby Stinson
ts@ohtm.org
(207)594-4418


Hopefully someone here gets it, keep us posted.


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Wow. If only I were 30 (or 40?) years younger. But then wouldn’t (and didn’t) have the either the money or the time. Sweet dreams….
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I’m knee deep in 240Z driveline and suspension project or I’d be all over that. Even when I owned the Bumblebee Racer AKA submarine I was wishing it was a Creamsicle. In fact the first 914 I really noticed back when they were new and I worked in a VW shop was a Creamsicle!
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I would love to do a 911 creamsicle
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QUOTE(StarBear @ Aug 17 2022, 06:32 AM) *

Wow. If only I were 30 (or 40?) years younger. But then wouldn’t (and didn’t) have the either the money or the time. Sweet dreams….


That's what she said
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I would love to do a 911 creamsicle


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QUOTE(mepstein @ Aug 17 2022, 07:49 AM) *

I would love to do a 911 creamsicle


The '73 911 'Creamsicle' preceded the '74 914 Creamsicle


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I would love to do a 911 creamsicle


The '73 911 'Creamsicle' preceded the '74 914 Creamsicle



Damn....I guess I sort of had a creamsicle, changed to blue several years ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Aug 16 2022, 11:30 PM) *

1st Creamsicle built, and lowest VIN 914LE as confirmed by PCNA. This CS needs a total restoration but...This is a significant 914 being both the 1st 914LE and 1st Creamsicle. I saw this car in 2005 in SoCal, it was not running then, was mildly rusty and looks about the same today, but it had already been sold to the owner in VT who is apprently now deceased. Its now resurfaced, available and apparently in driveable condition. A great opportunity for someone to rescue and revive. It had an original LE spoiler on it then and by the damage marks I see on it now compared to then, its the same one.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-f...14/2607915.html

VIN indicated in the listing is not correct. It is 4742914348

Auction info is here. https://auction.owlshead.org/

https://auction.owlshead.org/listing/1974-porsche-914/

8/24/2022 to 8/27/2022
When: Wednesday, August 24—Saturday, August 27, 2022
Opening times vary during auction week
Where: Owls Head Transportation Museum / Main Display
117 Museum Street
Owls Head, Maine
United States
Contact: Toby Stinson
ts@ohtm.org
(207)594-4418


Hopefully someone here gets it, keep us posted.

Being the first LE is there any documentation of differences between this car and the other LE cars?
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we could tell if there were a bunch of pictures, but nothing in these pictures tells anything except that:



The first one had dual carbs installed! (LOL)




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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Aug 16 2022, 11:30 PM) *

1st Creamsicle built, and lowest VIN 914LE as confirmed by PCNA. This CS needs a total restoration but...This is a significant 914 being both the 1st 914LE and 1st Creamsicle. I saw this car in 2005 in SoCal, it was not running then, was mildly rusty and looks about the same today, but it had already been sold to the owner in VT who is apprently now deceased. Its now resurfaced, available and apparently in driveable condition. A great opportunity for someone to rescue and revive. It had an original LE spoiler on it then and by the damage marks I see on it now compared to then, its the same one.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-f...14/2607915.html

VIN indicated in the listing is not correct. It is 4742914348

Auction info is here. https://auction.owlshead.org/

https://auction.owlshead.org/listing/1974-porsche-914/

8/24/2022 to 8/27/2022
When: Wednesday, August 24—Saturday, August 27, 2022
Opening times vary during auction week
Where: Owls Head Transportation Museum / Main Display
117 Museum Street
Owls Head, Maine
United States
Contact: Toby Stinson
ts@ohtm.org
(207)594-4418


Hopefully someone here gets it, keep us posted.

Being the first LE is there any documentation of differences between this car and the other LE cars?

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I would love to do a 911 creamsicle


You still can... haha
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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Aug 17 2022, 09:46 AM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Aug 17 2022, 07:49 AM) *

I would love to do a 911 creamsicle


The '73 911 'Creamsicle' preceded the '74 914 Creamsicle



Damn....I guess I sort of had a creamsicle, changed to blue several years ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Oscar

I like that look but I would go all in with phoenix red bumpers.
Meh, on second thought, maybe not.


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Being the first LE is there any documentation of differences between this car and the other LE cars?


I have 100+ images of this car from 2005, and it looks in very similar condition and detail then as now to other 914LEs as far as I can tell. But two things stand out:

1. The black positive side stripes. The Phoenix Red or Sunflower Yellow negative side stripes were developed for the 914 LE, so these earlier style positive stripes are not correct. But...I understand 914s were shipped to the USA without stripes factory applied because of the cosmoiline coating and the stripes were applied as dealer prep. It may have been possible that the negative stripes just were never installed, or maybe the dealer did not have them yet, or the buyer didn't want them installed. Then these positive stripes were added because thats all the dealer had, or what the buyer wanted or at some time later due to owner preference. We should not put much merit in this, too much speculation, but I would consider consider them in a restoration.

2. The racing stripe. its actually orange and black and looks carefully applied. I am thinking it could be original to the car, maybe dealer applied, but its the only LE I have seen with it. If I was restoring the car I would lean towards leaving it on or replacing it in kind.


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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Aug 17 2022, 02:00 PM) *

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Being the first LE is there any documentation of differences between this car and the other LE cars?


I have 100+ images of this car from 2005, and it looks in very similar condition and detail then as now to other 914LEs as far as I can tell. But two things stand out:

1. The black positive side stripes. The Phoenix Red or Sunflower Yellow negative side stripes were developed for the 914 LE, so these earlier style positive stripes are not correct. But...I understand 914s were shipped to the USA without stripes factory applied because of the cosmoiline coating and the stripes were applied as dealer prep. It may have been possible that the negative stripes just were never installed, or maybe the dealer did not have them yet, or the buyer didn't want them installed. Then these positive stripes were added because thats all the dealer had, or what the buyer wanted or at some time later due to owner preference. We should not put much merit in this, too much speculation, but I would consider consider them in a restoration.

2. The racing stripe. its actually orange and black and looks carefully applied. I am thinking it could be original to the car, maybe dealer applied, but its the only LE I have seen with it. If I was restoring the car I would lean towards leaving it on or replacing it in kind.


Thanks Jeff, it looks like the car has been repainted from what I see. The black plastic under the cowl looks to be painted white. Maybe I’m wrong, I bet your 100+ pictures would probably help to figure that out. If it’s been repainted I doubt the stripes would be original.
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Being the first LE is there any documentation of differences between this car and the other LE cars?


I have 100+ images of this car from 2005, and it looks in very similar condition and detail then as now to other 914LEs as far as I can tell. But two things stand out:

1. The black positive side stripes. The Phoenix Red or Sunflower Yellow negative side stripes were developed for the 914 LE, so these earlier style positive stripes are not correct. But...I understand 914s were shipped to the USA without stripes factory applied because of the cosmoiline coating and the stripes were applied as dealer prep. It may have been possible that the negative stripes just were never installed, or maybe the dealer did not have them yet, or the buyer didn't want them installed. Then these positive stripes were added because thats all the dealer had, or what the buyer wanted or at some time later due to owner preference. We should not put much merit in this, too much speculation, but I would consider consider them in a restoration.

2. The racing stripe. its actually orange and black and looks carefully applied. I am thinking it could be original to the car, maybe dealer applied, but its the only LE I have seen with it. If I was restoring the car I would lean towards leaving it on or replacing it in kind.


100% agree with you mr. b
you would tiptoe into this one.
it could well be as you speculate.

looks like the owner for the last 15 years settled on the "preserve it as it is" strategy.
being the first creamsicle you just never know what the dealer got up to conjuring the car.

EDIT
is that a faded black central stripe or dark blue?
if its blue its got a touch of the old stars and bars.
almost reminds me of USA bicentennial graphics.
though 76 was a bit early for a respray given @BENBRO02 's eye for detail on the air vent grille.
a previous owner was a bit of a patriot maybe?
turned a creamsicle into a rolling star spangled banner.
if so, nice idea. subtle but very good.
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QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Aug 17 2022, 11:43 AM) *

we could tell if there were a bunch of pictures, but nothing in these pictures tells anything except that:



The first one had dual carbs installed! (LOL)




QUOTE(BENBRO02 @ Aug 17 2022, 10:23 AM) *

QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Aug 16 2022, 11:30 PM) *

1st Creamsicle built, and lowest VIN 914LE as confirmed by PCNA. This CS needs a total restoration but...This is a significant 914 being both the 1st 914LE and 1st Creamsicle. I saw this car in 2005 in SoCal, it was not running then, was mildly rusty and looks about the same today, but it had already been sold to the owner in VT who is apprently now deceased. Its now resurfaced, available and apparently in driveable condition. A great opportunity for someone to rescue and revive. It had an original LE spoiler on it then and by the damage marks I see on it now compared to then, its the same one.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-f...14/2607915.html

VIN indicated in the listing is not correct. It is 4742914348

Auction info is here. https://auction.owlshead.org/

https://auction.owlshead.org/listing/1974-porsche-914/

8/24/2022 to 8/27/2022
When: Wednesday, August 24—Saturday, August 27, 2022
Opening times vary during auction week
Where: Owls Head Transportation Museum / Main Display
117 Museum Street
Owls Head, Maine
United States
Contact: Toby Stinson
ts@ohtm.org
(207)594-4418


Hopefully someone here gets it, keep us posted.

Being the first LE is there any documentation of differences between this car and the other LE cars?



older aftermarket fuel injection with throttle bodies actually.
not an uninteresting mod.
i'd say it got up and went ----- a bit better than carbs or original EFI?

sometimes there is a case for preserving a car and mods through time.
i'd be trying to find out who past owners were.
anyone significant. or interesting?
there might be something in it.
aside from the standard idea of restoring back to factory.
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1st Creamsicle built, and lowest VIN 914LE as confirmed by PCNA.



got interested in just when they started making these little babies in relation to celebrating the 100,000 914 - which is the other reason they gave for doing them?

the oldest one (this one) on your register mr. b is 14348?

i did the maths

i only got to 96,483 cars on the first SE/SL/etc on your r list.
(i counted the 6s and the 916s too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )
they jumped the gun!? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

someone else can see if they can get it to add up to 100K. i can't.

stoked to see that a creamsicle was the first not a bumble bee. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif)
phoenix orange forever. or is that red. even beetles looked cool in phoenix whatever.
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QUOTE(JeffBowlsby @ Aug 17 2022, 11:00 AM) *

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Being the first LE is there any documentation of differences between this car and the other LE cars?


I have 100+ images of this car from 2005, and it looks in very similar condition and detail then as now to other 914LEs as far as I can tell. But two things stand out:

1. The black positive side stripes. The Phoenix Red or Sunflower Yellow negative side stripes were developed for the 914 LE, so these earlier style positive stripes are not correct. But...I understand 914s were shipped to the USA without stripes factory applied because of the cosmoiline coating and the stripes were applied as dealer prep. It may have been possible that the negative stripes just were never installed, or maybe the dealer did not have them yet, or the buyer didn't want them installed. Then these positive stripes were added because thats all the dealer had, or what the buyer wanted or at some time later due to owner preference. We should not put much merit in this, too much speculation, but I would consider consider them in a restoration.

2. The racing stripe. its actually orange and black and looks carefully applied. I am thinking it could be original to the car, maybe dealer applied, but its the only LE I have seen with it. If I was restoring the car I would lean towards leaving it on or replacing it in kind.


How was the rust back in 2005? Is there any way to access your pics from that period to review?

Having just bought a Bumblebee this is a horrible time but I'd love to have one of each!

Thanks Jeff
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I’m not able to dust my photos until after the auction.

Anyone here planning to pursue this car? Pm me if you want to remain discreet.
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Better hope Seinfeld doesn't see this, he always wants the first and last.
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