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| CCE |
Sep 13 2022, 04:19 PM
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CCE ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 331 Joined: 28-December 21 From: Mexico Member No.: 26,203 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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I am fascinated with the prices on BAT 914, anyone else is following..
Send your comments. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) https://bringatrailer.com/porsche/914/ |
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| DennisV |
Sep 14 2022, 11:06 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 794 Joined: 8-August 20 From: Santa Rosa, CA Member No.: 24,575 Region Association: Northern California
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I am fascinated with the prices on BAT 914, anyone else is following.. Send your comments. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) https://bringatrailer.com/porsche/914/ I've been following both 914 and 914-6. Mostly because I like to read the comments regarding originality. Less concerned about the prices since I have no intent to sell our car in the foreseeable future. That said, there is a 914-6 auction in progress currently at $70k with a couple hours to go. |
| Steve |
Sep 14 2022, 11:17 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,977 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Laguna Niguel, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California
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I've been watching in curiosity about prices and various builds to get ideas for my own cars. I noticed the prices have dropped this summer, due to inflation. I would definitely use a reserve if I was going to try to sell one today.
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| Big Len |
Sep 14 2022, 11:35 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,775 Joined: 16-July 13 From: Edgewood, New Mexico Member No.: 16,126 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Prices may have dropped because of the economy, but also the end of the summer is not the best time to sell an open top car.
I do have a comment regarding the silver 71 sold earlier this week. I did not want to comment on the site and piss on the new owner's parade, but $22K for a car that has a hell hole rust hole big enough to fit my hand through? And who is @MCShack ? If you read this, you thought that this car should have gone for more??? Please explain how much more. Cracks in the dash, removed FI, another hole in a fender well. Some of the other comments shocked me. |
| GregAmy |
Sep 14 2022, 12:24 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,596 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States
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Scatterplot of previous sales, scroll down: https://bringatrailer.com/porsche/914/
Without running a statistical analysis on the data (I'm not that motivated) mid-20s seems to be the going range. There's also this tool: https://batpredictor.cognitivesurpl.us/ |
| eric9144 |
Sep 14 2022, 03:26 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,780 Joined: 30-March 11 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 12,876 Region Association: Southern California
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The market is definitely showing signs of softening up--stock market is tanking, economy/inflation is terrible, interest rates are way up...People are likely going to start holding their cash buys and try to weather the down time.
Will be curious to see where the blue 3.6 goes to on this round, I suspect another "Reserve not met" |
| Lockwodo |
Sep 14 2022, 05:47 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 23-December 21 From: Santa Cruz, Californnia Member No.: 26,193 Region Association: Northern California
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Prices may have dropped because of the economy, but also the end of the summer is not the best time to sell an open top car. I do have a comment regarding the silver 71 sold earlier this week. I did not want to comment on the site and piss on the new owner's parade, but $22K for a car that has a hell hole rust hole big enough to fit my hand through? And who is @MCShack ? If you read this, you thought that this car should have gone for more??? Please explain how much more. Cracks in the dash, removed FI, another hole in a fender well. Some of the other comments shocked me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
| Lockwodo |
Sep 14 2022, 05:47 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 23-December 21 From: Santa Cruz, Californnia Member No.: 26,193 Region Association: Northern California
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Prices may have dropped because of the economy, but also the end of the summer is not the best time to sell an open top car. I do have a comment regarding the silver 71 sold earlier this week. I did not want to comment on the site and piss on the new owner's parade, but $22K for a car that has a hell hole rust hole big enough to fit my hand through? And who is @MCShack ? If you read this, you thought that this car should have gone for more??? Please explain how much more. Cracks in the dash, removed FI, another hole in a fender well. Some of the other comments shocked me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
| wonkipop |
Sep 14 2022, 06:10 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,252 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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Prices may have dropped because of the economy, but also the end of the summer is not the best time to sell an open top car. I do have a comment regarding the silver 71 sold earlier this week. I did not want to comment on the site and piss on the new owner's parade, but $22K for a car that has a hell hole rust hole big enough to fit my hand through? And who is @MCShack ? If you read this, you thought that this car should have gone for more??? Please explain how much more. Cracks in the dash, removed FI, another hole in a fender well. Some of the other comments shocked me. yes @Big Len . raised my eyebrow at that one. stress crack opening up and heading towards the suspension load point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) not far off a sag and sink situation? a lot of $ to pay for a car that will need an extensive rebuild. a positive of b a t is extensive documentation data for historical research - strictly in relation to 74 1.8s. my interest is narrow gauge - i don't look at much else outside that. but scanning results - generally prices seem to show consistency and rationality but every now and then there seems to be the odd wild card in there that defies understanding. reason - buyers suffering mental instability? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
| emerygt350 |
Sep 14 2022, 06:28 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,400 Joined: 20-July 21 From: Upstate, NY Member No.: 25,740 Region Association: North East States |
The 914 will be in an interesting place if money tightens up. If someone wants an air-cooled Porsche it will make the 914 more attractive as the 911 isn't ever going to drop to affordable for people that aren't loaded rich. It may not appreciate much during tighter times, but I bet it will hold on to value. I have no love for speculators buying cars though. They can go rot. Buy a car car like this because you like it, and then drive and wrench on it till you want to try something else. At that point sell or if you have space, keep it.
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| 85eurocarrera |
Sep 15 2022, 05:26 AM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 3-September 22 From: Midwest Member No.: 26,817 Region Association: None |
I’m watching. I’m new to these 914’s, but not Porsche. It’s buy the best one you can afford. I’m still learning about the problem areas and what to look for. I was amazed at the money the two brought with the rust.
I’d sure like to find a ride in a 2056 motor (if that’s how you call them). They seem to be a sweet spot for me… |
| MCShack |
Sep 15 2022, 10:58 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: 7-March 21 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 25,305 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Prices may have dropped because of the economy, but also the end of the summer is not the best time to sell an open top car. I do have a comment regarding the silver 71 sold earlier this week. I did not want to comment on the site and piss on the new owner's parade, but $22K for a car that has a hell hole rust hole big enough to fit my hand through? And who is @MCShack ? If you read this, you thought that this car should have gone for more??? Please explain how much more. Cracks in the dash, removed FI, another hole in a fender well. Some of the other comments shocked me. No disrespect Len, but there is a difference between "I thought it might be a little more" which is what I said and you saying that I said "thought that this car should have gone for more". I also advised the buyer to get some serious work done on that car, such as the longs. I don't think I disagree with what anyone has said here about BAT and the prices there, too many speculators and flippers. My comment meant the bidders on BaT have been throwing stupid money at these cars lately and I'm surprised more of the same didn't happen here and there were a lot of bidders at the end of the auction. Yes, the market is softening to say the least IMHO. Slow market, bad timing, prices adjusting, all aside, I would never pay $20k for "that" car plus shipping, no way! BTW, many people on BaT consider changing from FI to dual carbs to be a big upgrade for some dumb reason, I am not one of those people. I bought my first 914 brand new right out of high school in 1973 and have owned at least one 914 for going on 50 years now. I only had one with carbs but the PO claimed he had vapor lock problems until he removed the L-Jet from the '74 1.8L. I hated that car more than any 914 I ever owned for that and other reasons, but I got a great deal, so I thought. My mechanic told me to switch it back for what was a small fortune at the time or sell it. I didn't know much about the carb set-up (still don't) and thought I could just remove them and put the FI back, which I didn't even have. I traded it for '74 2.0 w/D-jet. Lesson learned and moved on. Peace and stay safe. |
| jhynesrockmtn |
Sep 16 2022, 10:10 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 443 Joined: 13-June 16 From: spokane wa Member No.: 20,100 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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I follow BAT pretty closely and hadn't intended on buying a car there but have had my sights on a BB or CS for a while. The last one on there, I threw out a bid figuring it was my top dollar. I thought it would be RNM but ended up buying it. After getting it a sigh of relief was breathed and I ended up contacting the guy who restored it after finding old for sale ads on Pelican and Rennlist. That made me feel better as he knows his stuff and it has very few miles on it since. We are hoping to meet up at Rennsport next year.
Has BAT cornered the market a bit? I would guess many cars that were sold through this site, Pelican, Rennlist, etc. are ending up there. |
| GregAmy |
Sep 16 2022, 10:17 AM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,596 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States
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BaT buyers bring the coin. Anyone who wants top dollar - along with a dose of Internet reality on what they have - sells there.
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| rhodyguy |
Sep 16 2022, 10:41 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 22,252 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
My guess is BAT buyers, for the most part, don't expect photos in excruciating detail. Being blinded by shinny bits and ends doesn't help much. I doubt many 'don't buy that car' emails get sent.
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| Robarabian |
Sep 16 2022, 01:12 PM
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914 A Roo ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 726 Joined: 11-February 19 From: Simi Valley, Kalifornia Member No.: 22,865 Region Association: Southern California
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| MCShack |
Sep 16 2022, 02:27 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: 7-March 21 From: Ohio, USA Member No.: 25,305 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Yep, collectors will really open the pocket books when they see something they want. Buyer has bought a few cars on BaT but usually well under $50k except for a $66k Pantera. He outbid "Serialcollector" who the serious car collectors know (I do not, only by reputation) since he probably buys a couple of cars a week spending millions a year. He recently spent $1M on a 2019 Ford GT with original msrp of $560k, so $170k was chump change for him. This car was RNM at $100k in 2020, then supposedly $60k work was done and listed at Avant-Garde for $155k. Too rich for my blood and especially my pocketbook, although I've lost nearly that much in investments lately, only my home value is saving me right now. |
| rhodyguy |
Sep 16 2022, 02:49 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 22,252 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
The lighting and photo tweaking were exquisite.
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| johnorm |
Sep 17 2022, 02:25 PM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 28 Joined: 28-October 18 From: Canada Member No.: 22,610 Region Association: Canada |
I have followed and tracked the 914 market for the last few years. IMO I find many of the 914's listed on BAT are quick flips of a suspect car. The term I would use is lipstick on a pig. When you can see rust issues on a photo, or no critical photos of the hell hole and the longs are available, you can only imagine how bad the car is. There has been a few tired but solid cars come up this year and I was originally taken back by the price they get. I think some people are starting to realise that body restoration & paint can be bloody expensive compared to the mechanicals & cosmetics. From what I have observed the hot market on BAT appears to be from late Winter to the end of June. After that things generally cool down.
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| CCE |
Sep 17 2022, 03:44 PM
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CCE ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 331 Joined: 28-December 21 From: Mexico Member No.: 26,203 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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Yep, collectors will really open the pocket books when they see something they want. Buyer has bought a few cars on BaT but usually well under $50k except for a $66k Pantera. He outbid "Serialcollector" who the serious car collectors know (I do not, only by reputation) since he probably buys a couple of cars a week spending millions a year. He recently spent $1M on a 2019 Ford GT with original msrp of $560k, so $170k was chump change for him. This car was RNM at $100k in 2020, then supposedly $60k work was done and listed at Avant-Garde for $155k. Too rich for my blood and especially my pocketbook, although I've lost nearly that much in investments lately, only my home value is saving me right now. I supposed it was going to reach the 100k, but never that much, wow! |
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