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How reliable are old coils?, Getting her ready to travel! |
Jamie |
Apr 28 2023, 07:36 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,037 Joined: 13-October 04 From: Georgetown,KY Member No.: 2,939 Region Association: South East States |
I am trying to keep my 73 1.7L as stock as possible yet very reliable for extended travel. Recently had professional first engine removal to address several minor oil leaks and other concerns, to prepare for a 5 day tour event in June. The original coil is still in place and seems to be working fine, what is the usual life expectancy for a 50 yr. old coil? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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Superhawk996 |
Apr 28 2023, 07:54 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,913 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Plenty of functional OEM coils (buzz box or trembler) on Model T’s. So let’s call it 100 years or so. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
A coil is simply a transformer wound with copper wire. The main thing to fail would be the breakdown of insulation on the wire over time due to heat. Overall, coils are highly reliable. They are easily bench checked by measuring the resistance of the primary and secondary coil windings. You’re probably going to get all sorts of anecdotal stories about random coil failures. I’m not denying they happen, but they are anomalies for the population of coils as a whole. Don’t believe me? Ask yourself when the last time the local power company came by and changed the electric transformer up on your neighbourhood power pole - as a matter of “maintenance”. Sure those randomly blow too. When they do, the power company replaces them. But they don’t replace them every 50 years, just because. There are literally hundreds of components in your engine that “could” fail. What fun could we expect to have if we were constantly fretting about what could fail. We would never leave the house. Why dwell (pun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) on the coil? Go have fun - enjoy the drive. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
BillJ |
Apr 28 2023, 08:03 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,116 Joined: 4-March 13 From: charlotte, NC Member No.: 15,610 Region Association: None |
Dwell. Funny.
If you are really worried pick up a spare and store in the frunk. But probably fine. |
Superhawk996 |
Apr 28 2023, 08:14 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,913 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Dwell. Funny. If you are really worried pick up a spare and store in the frunk. But probably fine. People seem to like this idea but where would you stop? Trip list Spare coil Spare points Spare wires Spare plugs Spare condenser Probably should have a spare distributor Don’t forget about the voltage regulator those things go bad randomly! A week ago our Belgian friend had a fuel pump relay fail - bring a handful of those. Some swear that you should have a spare relay board - just in case. Going to need a spare alternator - just in case. When a diode or the brushes fail you’re screwed. Bring a small generator warning light bulb. If that burns out and goes open, the alternator can’t start the field winding and you’ll be SOL! Those 3 port fuel pumps were a recent topic of conversation - random leaks and all. Bring a spare! I’m just getting warmed up on what “could” fail. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) Don’t forget all the tools you’ll need to fix all the things that could fail. I trust you see where I’m going with this - in good humour. How did we survive in a pre cell phone - pre credit card era. Some would tell you it can’t be done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
BillJ |
Apr 28 2023, 08:21 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,116 Joined: 4-March 13 From: charlotte, NC Member No.: 15,610 Region Association: None |
Lol. Totally right.
There was a thread here for a guy going cross country. Pretty sure his load of spares and tools weighed 500 lbs easy. So with road cars my spares included: Frunk: The spare Fan belt The tool roll Small ratchet and socket set Anti fog Windex Paper towels Door pocket: Fuses Bulbs for taillights Pen Condom for all the girls fawning over the 914 (very old) Voltage regulator Thats it really aside from the dangerous jack in the trunk. |
Jamie |
Apr 28 2023, 08:32 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,037 Joined: 13-October 04 From: Georgetown,KY Member No.: 2,939 Region Association: South East States |
Lol. Totally right. There was a thread here for a guy going cross country. Pretty sure his load of spares and tools weighed 500 lbs easy. So with road cars my spares included: Frunk: The spare Fan belt The tool roll Small ratchet and socket set Anti fog Windex Paper towels Door pocket: Fuses Bulbs for taillights Pen Condom for all the girls fawning over the 914 (very old) Voltage regulator Thats it really aside from the dangerous jack in the trunk. My old teener girl has 58K on the odometer, and the only spare part I carry is the alternator belt, because Dad left one in the frunk when I bought her from him in 2002. I have replaced it with a new and more limber belt, but never leave home without my AAA and Visa cards! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) |
Superhawk996 |
Apr 28 2023, 08:35 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,913 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Lol. Totally right. There was a thread here for a guy going cross country. Pretty sure his load of spares and tools weighed 500 lbs easy. So with road cars my spares included: Frunk: The spare Fan belt The tool roll Small ratchet and socket set Anti fog Windex Paper towels Door pocket: Fuses Bulbs for taillights Pen Condom for all the girls fawning over the 914 (very old) Voltage regulator Thats it really aside from the dangerous jack in the trunk. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I love your list I just happened to still have the old rubbermaid tool box I used to carry my tools in sitting close by. Over 100k miles traveled on my 1st teener, only carried what would fit in this box. |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Apr 28 2023, 08:41 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,898 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
very very reliable as long as they are not leaking, we have hundreds of good original bosch ones Used on the shelf
I am trying to keep my 73 1.7L as stock as possible yet very reliable for extended travel. Recently had professional first engine removal to address several minor oil leaks and other concerns, to prepare for a 5 day tour event in June. The original coil is still in place and seems to be working fine, what is the usual life expectancy for a 50 yr. old coil? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
BillJ |
Apr 28 2023, 08:52 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,116 Joined: 4-March 13 From: charlotte, NC Member No.: 15,610 Region Association: None |
Yes!!! AAA and money. All set
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Superhawk996 |
Apr 28 2023, 08:56 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,913 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Yes!!! AAA and money. All set I had neither back in the original teener era. Barely had gas money! Still survived and had a ton of fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) If you have those two things it’s almost too easy! |
rjames |
Apr 28 2023, 09:17 AM
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I'm made of metal Group: Members Posts: 3,971 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I pack a spare clutch, accelerator cable and a couple of box wrenches, but other than my AAA card, that's about it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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BillJ |
Apr 28 2023, 09:34 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,116 Joined: 4-March 13 From: charlotte, NC Member No.: 15,610 Region Association: None |
Cables are a good low weight add
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Superhawk996 |
Apr 28 2023, 09:38 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,913 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Cables are a good low weight add Slippery slope. Credit card is pretty light (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
rjames |
Apr 28 2023, 09:43 AM
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I'm made of metal Group: Members Posts: 3,971 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Bring a friend so you have someone to get out and push.
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BillJ |
Apr 28 2023, 09:44 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,116 Joined: 4-March 13 From: charlotte, NC Member No.: 15,610 Region Association: None |
Always be uphill.
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StarBear |
Apr 28 2023, 12:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,917 Joined: 2-September 09 From: NJ Member No.: 10,753 Region Association: North East States |
Yep; still got my original coil, though pack a new blue coil in my in car parts box.
Like the idea of that plastic Porsche tool box. Better than my shoe box. Father’s Day??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
GregAmy |
Apr 28 2023, 12:44 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,311 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
Yes!!! AAA and money. All set (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) That'll get you to a safe place. Then Internet access to this board, so you can post here and we can rescue you. - GA |
VaccaRabite |
Apr 28 2023, 01:19 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,465 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If you can drive your car 25 miles and trust it, you can drive it 1000 and trust it.
If your coil is fine now, then it’s fine. I bring a small box of tools, and the only parts I bring are spare throttle and clutch cables. Aside from that, AAA card and be there. Zach |
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