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| bd1308 |
 Aug 21 2005, 02:34 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot  Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501  |
i run 20W-50 oil....
when i turn the engine over, it kinda sounds like there is no oil going to the cam until i start driving and the car starts warming up. (i remember the sound on my 2.0 when i would first start the car). is 20W too thick? or am i looking at cam problems later? the sound kinda goes away when the engine gets warmer...sounds like rod knock when cold and a click when hot. haven't been able to pull another person for the timing check, but does the timing affect the AFR for my progressive? Does anybody have any 1.7 parts...I have a complete 2.0 that I *NEED* to get rid of....or rebuilt, but the $$ isnt there...so it needs to go. i need to learn to (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/welder.gif) there is somebody local that wants to charge $700 to fix my structural issues caused by the hell-hole. is this a good price? doesn't include battery tray or engine bay metal, just repairing of supports and what-not. |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 21 2005, 03:57 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
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jake, cap't....anybody have some insight on my "knock" issue. i hear that a rod-knock engine doesn't last long at all, and so far this engine runs good. i |
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| tat2dphreak |
Aug 21 2005, 04:48 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
20W-50 is the right shit IMO... if you are truly NOT getting oil, that is a big problem...
if this is truly a knocking rod... you are fuct... roayally and painfully fuct... however it *might* be valve noise... generally, from what I've seen, rod knocks only get louder as you run the engine, not quiet down... @3000 RPMs a rod knock will sound like a hammer rattling around on the crank... LOUD as shit! |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 21 2005, 04:53 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
yeah i think it's valve noise then....
b/c from what I understand rod knock is not something that you just ignore.... valve adjustment scheduled then.... the oil light goes out (new sensor too) so i know oil is flowing i also get a leak when its on, so i know oil is going around the engine... honestly the more i think about it, it would probably be pretty hard *not* to get oil to the crankshaft and camshaft.... so valve noise then.... this is fun...talking about 914s.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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| brer |
Aug 21 2005, 05:33 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,555 Joined: 10-March 05 From: san diego Member No.: 3,736 Region Association: None |
I've been having similar problems.
I checked the side to side play on my rockers, and found they have about .025 so i'm guessing that may be whats causing it on mine. Just a guess though. A mechanic down here i spoke with had mentioned the hazards of getting dirt into the valve area when adjusting the valves, and it working its way down into the lifter bores. I can only imagine what grit in the lifter bore can do. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) make them stick maybe? a couple of thoughts. b. |
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| rhodyguy |
Aug 21 2005, 06:25 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,092 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
$700 sounds excessive. post pictures of what the welder proposes to do for 7 bills.
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| Rand |
Aug 21 2005, 06:29 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Rod knocks tend to be the worst when not under power... if you're pulling under power, then ease off the gas so everything is freewheeling, the knock will get louder and softer as you feather the throttle.
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| Joe Ricard |
Aug 21 2005, 06:58 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Ya know, You could buy a Honda for 700 bucks. Reliable bullet proof and chicks dig a poor kid in a Honda.
They just beg me for a real ride if the pass seat is empty while in grid. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif) |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 22 2005, 07:52 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
i've heard that the springs on the rocker assembly allows for too much movement, and that most in the know convert to the hydraulic t4 solid spacer..... it could have been jake even...i've watched his DVD liek 200 times. |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 22 2005, 07:55 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
i get this said to me alot.... i know i could have a honda... i could have had a saab 9000.... i could have my jeep still.... i could have had my parents' land-rover or jaguar.... i chose the 914. and i'm going to stick with it until it is done. then i'm gonna drive it (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif) |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 22 2005, 07:56 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
that's what I thought.... I don't have my camera right now...i actually need to go back and talk to him about this anyway. dont have too much of an option....do body shops do this kind of work?? I am good friends with the owner's son of a good one. |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 22 2005, 07:58 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
definately not rod knock....if i drive the spit out of it...the sound blends into the rest of the contraption going on..... it actually, upon closer listening sounds like valves... i'm going to ask and see if i can get a adjustment done today... |
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| tat2dphreak |
Aug 22 2005, 08:34 AM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
a rod knock sounds like an old-ass diesel tractor when it's "not that bad yet"
and when it's bad it sounds like a bunch of hammers in a dryer... it's a terrible, terrible sound, and you'd know it if you heard it... |
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| Joe Ricard |
Aug 22 2005, 08:35 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Would this be a valve adjustment done by yourself? We will be standing by to help fix your problems. But then again I don't trust NOBODY to set valves on my car.
Because I know what my .005 feels like which is different than the next guys .005 or what ever. BTW Please don't put solid spacers in your solid lifter valve train. You think it is loud now???? it will be real loud then. |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 22 2005, 08:53 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
i dont think i know how to do that....
i doubt anybody will want to mess with it, so i might have to do it myself... in that case, i'll need help. thanks joe for the offer to help, might end up taking it... im gonna put in the raby dvd... EDIT: he did recommend the solid spacer as a replacement for the spring, as the rocker arm play was a bit too much to be okay.... |
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| scotty914 |
Aug 22 2005, 10:40 AM
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suby torque rules Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 20-July 03 From: maryland, the land of 25 year Member No.: 924 |
okay britt, we can yalk you thru a valve adjustment. you will need a few simple things.
valve cover gaskets ( cork ones ) a set of feeler gauges a stubby flat head some wrenches and last but not least the phone number of some one who can talk you thru it, it will take you about 1.5 to 2 hours the first time. if you need my number i can give it to ya |
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| bd1308 |
Aug 22 2005, 10:46 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
i need to get some cover gaskets....
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| ematulac |
Aug 22 2005, 10:54 AM
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914 addict Group: Members Posts: 540 Joined: 24-November 03 From: Palmdale, CA Member No.: 1,382 |
Order extras and keep spares handy. I always keep oil filters and valve cover gaskets in stock. You can never have too many of those.
BTW, my 2.0 has sounded the same since I purchased the car. It only had about 200 miles on a rebuild when I purchased it, it's now been 6 years and still going strong. The sound is worse when the engine is cold, but as it warms up it tends to dissipate. I've been using 20w-50 for as long as I can remember. |
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| Joe Ricard |
Aug 22 2005, 10:55 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
You already have my number.
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| bd1308 |
Aug 22 2005, 11:01 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
would a sound clip help??
engine sounds good, runs great, no metal flying around the engine compartment.... the only other issue i have is the "front of the engine, on top of the oil filter housing" oil leak...but i think the porsche mechanic is going to do that...i'm not up to changing oil cooler seals...i could definately do it though. joe, i do have your number....let me get the gaskets (one week) and then i'll do this valve adjust... |
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