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sean_v8_914	Sep 3 2005, 03:53 PM Post #1
Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541	the engine was removed from a 1976 targa. it has a green fan shroud, 11 blade fan and mechanical FI. owner says it was rebuilt 10 years ago, driven for a few months then pulled from teh car and placed on a shelf till now. there is a light oil haze under the turbo style lower valve covers. I can see the oil lines for teh chain tensioners, the case savers in teh block for the head studs and all teh engine hardware is nylock nutsl. it has nice heat exchangers on it. the clutch has an aluminum outer ring what is it woth? he wants to do some horse trading with me and this engine is getting thrown in teh deal. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

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seanery	Sep 3 2005, 04:02 PM Post #2
waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None	Mechanical FI? Are you sure it's not CIS? What does the intake look like? Carb-ish, or big black plastic? If plastic it's CIS. Does he have paper on the rebuild? If not, assume it needs one. As to value...who knows (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

sean_v8_914	Sep 3 2005, 04:07 PM Post #3
Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541	CIS? How do I tell? it has a fuel dizzy looking thing off to teh side that has individual hoses going to the base of each intake runner. in teh middle behind teh fan it has 2 throttle body looking things that have an elbow hose connecting the two. one is bigger than the other. the big one has a disc diafragm.

sean_v8_914	Sep 3 2005, 04:11 PM Post #4
Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541	looks like this guys engine http://mywebpages.comcast.net/soukus/SOUK/Welcome.htm

sean_v8_914	Sep 3 2005, 04:13 PM Post #5
Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541	is CIS good or bad? can I slap some Webbers on it?

xitspd	Sep 3 2005, 04:21 PM Post #6
Technology and Tradition 3.6 and 914-6 Group: Members Posts: 1,305 Joined: 17-November 04 From: Foothills of Mt. San Jacinto, CA Member No.: 3,136	(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) It's CIS. CIS sucks except in some Turbo applications. 40MM webers would be an improvement. I own a 1974 and a 1975 Factory 911 Carreras with 2.7 engines. The 74 came with Mechanical Fuel Injection(Euro Spec) and the 1975 with CIS. The 74 ran circles around the 75 until I put Webers on it and changed the Cams.

sean_v8_914	Sep 3 2005, 04:26 PM Post #7
Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541	how much $$$ is it worth high? low?

xitspd

Sep 3 2005, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE (sean_v8_914 @ Sep 3 2005, 02:26 PM)

how much $$$ is it worth
high?
low?

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) In my opinion, low of $1800.00 to a high of $2500.00. 1975 and 1976 model 911s had Thermoreactor exhaust systems to meet smog. The Thermoreactors made the engines run hot! Sad time in Porsche history.....

seanery	Sep 3 2005, 04:31 PM Post #9
waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None	CIS 2.7 (IMG:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads3/reareng1094193332.jpg) (IMG:http://members.rennlist.com/jimwms/CIS/CIS_engine_500.jpg) MFI (IMG:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads5/engine11111149960.jpg) (IMG:http://www.holscope.com/Pelican_BBS/GCCV_snap_01.JPG)

seanery	Sep 3 2005, 04:34 PM Post #10
waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None	oops, I took too long.

Cap'n Krusty

Sep 3 2005, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE (seanery @ Sep 3 2005, 02:31 PM)

CIS 2.7
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2 is the Auxillary Air Valve, 4 is the cold start valve, 5 is the crankcase breather cover, and 3 is the Auxilliary Air Device. In the lower picture, the control pressuer regulator is just below dead center in the picture. The shiny thing. On the top picture, you can't see it, but it's on the center intake runner on the right side of the picture, behind the auxilliary heater blower housing. The actual fuel pressure regulator is built into the fuel distributor, that device with all the hoses running to/from it on the right top side of the pictures. The Cap'n, at your service ..........................

lapuwali	Sep 3 2005, 06:15 PM Post #12
Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743	CIS (aka K-Jet) appeared first on the late '73 911T. All '74 US-spec engines also had CIS, and CIS continued to be used until the 3.2 engines came out in '84. CIS requires fairly mild cam timing, so it's power limiting, but it's very reliable.

anthony

Sep 3 2005, 06:29 PM

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owner says it was rebuilt 10 years ago, driven for a few months then pulled from teh car and placed on a shelf till now. there is a light oil haze under the turbo style lower valve covers.

Personally, this pegs my BS meter. Who rebuilds a 911 engine ($$$$) and then drives it for only a few months only then to pull it and let it sit on a shelf for 10 years?

To me it's a core motor that needs a full rebuild until you can see some it run with some compression and leakdown numbers. Even if the story is true you don't know what 10 years of sitting has done to the engine. It's not worth much IMO. Also, as a core it's probably one of the least desireable motors. It would be much better to start with a 3.0L or a 3.2L if you were buying a core.

J P Stein	Sep 3 2005, 06:50 PM Post #14
Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None	(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) ......to a point. It needs a tear down after sitting, but there's nothing wrong with a 2.7L and it sounds as tho most of the problems have been cured. 1000 bucks tops. I paid 500 for a rebuilt longblock that sat on a shelf for 9 years and had never been run.

xitspd

Sep 3 2005, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE (anthony @ Sep 3 2005, 04:29 PM)

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owner says it was rebuilt 10 years ago, driven for a few months then pulled from teh car and placed on a shelf till now. there is a light oil haze under the turbo style lower valve covers.

Personally, this pegs my BS meter. Who rebuilds a 911 engine ($$$$) and then drives it for only a few months only then to pull it and let it sit on a shelf for 10 years?

To me it's a core motor that needs a full rebuild until you can see some it run with some compression and leakdown numbers. Even if the story is true you don't know what 10 years of sitting has done to the engine. It's not worth much IMO. Also, as a core it's probably one of the least desireable motors. It would be much better to start with a 3.0L or a 3.2L if you were buying a core.

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seanery	Sep 3 2005, 07:21 PM Post #16
waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None	Cap'n thanks for the clarification...those notes were on the pic when I swiped it from the bird board.

Aaron Cox	Sep 3 2005, 08:53 PM Post #17
Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California	sean - is this the motor in victorville?

sean_v8_914	Sep 3 2005, 09:24 PM Post #18
Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541	no. its in south san diego. it sat at san diego foreign auto for 10 maybe 15 years. it has been indoors high and dry. it IS CIS, thanks for teh clarafication guys. what are teh webbers worth? they are in good shape but do need a rebuild would I have to change teh cams right away? how much would that cost? I am new to the P-car 6 scene

sean_v8_914	Sep 4 2005, 07:09 PM Post #19
Chingon 601 Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541	thats all yall got to say?

J P Stein

Sep 4 2005, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE (sean_v8_914 @ Sep 3 2005, 07:24 PM)

what are teh webbers worth? they are in good shape but do need a rebuild
would I have to change teh cams right away? how much would that cost? I am new to the P-car 6 scene

There is some ambiguity here. If your question is how much do a set of Webers (with "stuff") cost, the answer is at least 1500 for a good set-up (junk is cheeper, but not in the long run)....3000 for new PMOs.

You don't have to change cams. Read up on the subject. B Anderson's book will tell you more than you wanna know.

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