 Engine SOUND from a SIX?, Any thoughts |
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| Kerrys914 |
 Oct 20 2005, 08:58 AM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;)  Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16  |
I have a 2.2 that I recently did a top-end on. As you know I am new to the SIX's and am not familiar with their NORMAL sounds.
When I rev slowly the engine everything is fine but when I rev the engine fast and let off the throttle I can hear a tap/rap coming from the timing chain housing on the (123) side. when I put my hand on the housing I can also feel what sounds like the chain hitting the housing. It's not a very loud sound but it is there. Since I am now hyper sensitive to any sound I noticed it I found a sound file of a car with a failed timing chain tensioner and mine sounds nothing like that. It only happens coming off throttle If anyone is near West Chester or Philly and wants to help and hear my engine please e-mail me. Kerrys914@yahoo.com. Cheers |
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| Root_Werks |
Oct 20 2005, 09:23 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,338 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest 
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Do you have the oil feds in there? If so, do you have the restrictors in the oil lines?
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| Kerrys914 |
Oct 20 2005, 09:35 AM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;) Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16 |
No, I have the older style with the collars but they are not original. Everything look fine when I had it opened up.
I am not sure if a little tap/rap/tap is normal when coming off full hard throttle. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) Cheers |
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| Trekkor |
Oct 20 2005, 09:42 AM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I hope it's nothing serious.
I want to hear that sound file, too. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif) KT |
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| Root_Werks |
Oct 20 2005, 10:05 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,338 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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If they are the manual adjusters, I ran into this with a six last year. Instead of adjusting them back to take up the slack, I put in the oil feds.
Your loosing your tensioners. get new ones. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) When you accelerate the slack is mostly taken up. When you decel it comes back. Your chains are hitting things. |
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| Kerrys914 |
Oct 20 2005, 12:01 PM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;) Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16 |
Maybe I'll breakdown and get the Oil feed tensioners. What is the best price for the kit?
$500+ at PParts |
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| goose2 |
Oct 20 2005, 12:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 30-March 05 From: Eugene, Oregon Member No.: 3,847 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Kerry, try EBS, (800) 462-3774.....I heard they had the best price. Let us know what you find out.
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| Kerrys914 |
Oct 20 2005, 12:20 PM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;) Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16 |
Will do
Here is the file (NOT MY CAR) I was using as ref. My engine does not sound like this at all. This is sound file is more hollow sounding http://home.comcast.net/~lfogelson/ I'll call them ASAP |
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| Kerrys914 |
Oct 20 2005, 12:38 PM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;) Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16 |
Looking at about $520 shipped with a new Timing chain and new longer right side oil fee hose (the early cars need this). (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)
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| Kerrys914 |
Oct 20 2005, 01:37 PM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;) Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16 |
On the older style tensioners what does that little bolt on the side do?
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| Root_Werks |
Oct 20 2005, 02:03 PM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,338 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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I can get the basic kit for $450 for you plus shipping. But I cannot seem to get a hold of little oil fitting thingy for the earlier engines. Since you would have to source that out separate, not sure if I could save you any $$$ (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)
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| Root_Werks |
Oct 20 2005, 02:04 PM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,338 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Trying to picture it. Can't remember. There is no adjustment if they are the stock spring loaded ones. |
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| Kerrys914 |
Oct 20 2005, 03:39 PM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;) Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16 |
You can see it here
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| Root_Werks |
Oct 20 2005, 04:27 PM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,338 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Still don't know. I have only ever taken those off and tossed them. Probably helps hold the spring in place or plunger?
You have the stops on, that alone probably saved valves from hitting pistons. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) |
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| brp914 |
Oct 20 2005, 09:08 PM
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total WAG, but are your chains old and stretched causing the idle arm to hit the chain house? In any event, if you get pressure fed tensioners, get new chains.
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| Kerrys914 |
Oct 21 2005, 06:43 AM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;) Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16 |
The chain age is unknown (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)
I'll pull the engine in the next few weeks and take a look at things. The photo above is from my tear down last winter Cheers |
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| ArtechnikA |
Oct 21 2005, 07:41 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
bleedscrew... you have a 911 Haynes, yes? Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| Kerrys914 |
Oct 21 2005, 08:03 AM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;) Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16 |
Thanks.. I don't have a Haynes 911 repair manual. I used Wayne's and B. Anderson's books for most of my reference (and the two boards) for the engine work I did. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
I didn't bleed the tensioners at all when I installed them. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) I think they are somewhat new. They used a alum. spacer on the tensioner wheel..I think this is a later style tensioner..??? |
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| ArtechnikA |
Oct 21 2005, 08:15 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
there are many updates through the years... but if they have a bleedscrew, they can be bled using the documented procedure. rebuild kits are available too -- if you go that route, check the parts very carefully against the list; there are many small parts and when i got mine, the were just in a cardboard box. amazing that *any* of the small parts survived - i would have expected them to have been sealed as a kit inside a plastic bag, but no... took 3 kits to get enough parts for 2 tensioners... but if they're in good shape you could try repeating the bleeding procedure which wouldn't cost you more than (possibly) new chain cover gaskets. you don't have to pull the engine to do tensioners although it might be easier than doing it at ground level. if you have a lift or a way to get the car really high it might not be too bad. |
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| Kerrys914 |
Oct 21 2005, 08:48 AM
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Dear, the parts I just sold paid for that part ;) Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Williamsburg, VA Member No.: 16 |
Thanks.. I can only get the car on ramps so that doesn't leave much room to work on the engine (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
Maybe I can get some shop time with a lift somewhere (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) Man...I need one of those lifts BAD.. $1000 hum (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) |
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