Brand of HVLP Sprayer, Sort of OT - need some feedback |
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Brand of HVLP Sprayer, Sort of OT - need some feedback |
db9146 |
Nov 29 2005, 08:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 953 Joined: 21-December 04 From: Atlanta, GA Member No.: 3,315 Region Association: None |
I am looking at purchasing an HVLP sprayer and have seen spray guns going for $29 to $290 or more. Has anyone used a Vaper or Titan brand of gun? They run about $80-90 for a two gun kit whereas an entry level Devilbliss runs about $99 for the same? I want a good quality gun but I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars if I can get a reasonable gun for priming, suspension and part painting. I'm going to leave the final body painting to a pro.
Thanks for any feedback or recommendations. |
TimT |
Nov 29 2005, 08:20 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
Autobody101
Sharpe platinum is a discontinued gun, not an air hog... but still available. or Finex 300 or there are some new guns out LVLP if you are compressor challenged |
Series9 |
Nov 29 2005, 08:23 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Sata. They are THE standard in HVLP.
Small: $270 Large: $470 If you're going to do it, do it right. |
thomasotten |
Nov 29 2005, 09:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 16-November 03 From: San Antonio, Texas Member No.: 1,349 |
I have a Astro gun ($60 or so) for primer and a high dollar Devilbiss one for base/clear. But I plan on painting the whole car.
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Diesel_mp5 |
Nov 29 2005, 10:13 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 20-November 05 From: Las Vegas, Nevada Member No.: 5,158 |
Well for that type of painting id use a cheep gun. Goto harbor freight, I got a good hvlp gun for around 40. Somtimes its on sale cheeper.
Never shoot primer with a good gun. |
Brett W |
Nov 29 2005, 10:18 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
Don't bother with HVLP. Not worth the grief. Doesn't lay down worth a crap. Poor atomization, etc. For primer only buy a primer gun, it will have a larger air cap and needle. You really can't do top coat and primer well with one gun. You also can't really do a good job without a small detail gun, but I digress.
Sata is the best, period. For the weekend warrior/ onetimer, I would go with DeVillbiss. They have one of the better products out there. |
thomasotten |
Nov 29 2005, 10:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 16-November 03 From: San Antonio, Texas Member No.: 1,349 |
What do you mean? For door jambs, or what? |
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flatout |
Nov 29 2005, 10:20 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 3-May 04 From: southeast missouri Member No.: 2,018 |
I use a Sata NR2000 and I like it alot. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) You can spend less, and get a good gun for doing parts. I would buy the best I could afford.
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Brett W |
Nov 29 2005, 10:25 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
Yes a detail gun, (jamb gun, etc) is very useful for:
A: small parts and small part runs, no need to mix up a bunch of clear or basecoat. B: Getting into tight areas, where a bigger gun would be unmanagable C: more precision work on small areas or even custom work on bigger areas D: Not as clumsy as a bigger gun with a full cup (at least on gravity feeds.) |
914GT |
Nov 29 2005, 10:28 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,100 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Tucson Member No.: 2,923 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I have not used the Vaper or Titan, but I'd expect them to be similar to the Chinese-made guns you'd find at Harbor Freight. Probably OK for shooting primer, but if I were you I'd at least go with the low-end Finishline guns. That way you know you can get replacement parts if necessary. I use a Finishline for primer/surfacers and it works fine. It has a 1.8mm tip which is a little larger than the Vaper or Titan's 1.7mm for primers. Also I recommend upgrading to a 32oz cup because the 20oz is too small and requires filling it too often.
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Series9 |
Nov 29 2005, 11:02 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Am I missing something? Show me any real pro in the last ten years who doesn't use HVLP daily. |
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Katmanken |
Nov 30 2005, 01:20 PM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Huh?
I agree with Joe... HVLP guns use specially designed nozzles to reduce turbulence as it sprays. Reduced turbulence results in much less swirling of the air and paint droplets and reduces dreaded overspray (partially dried paint droplets) A coupla old hot rodders taught me about HVLP. They showed me what it did and how hard it was to get a run. They hadda work at it to get one. With mine, the best way to describe the spray is like breathing on a mirror... it just fogs up the surface... Ken |
nomore9one4 |
Nov 30 2005, 01:35 PM
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Member of the Eastcoast Thread Killers Club Group: Members Posts: 2,666 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Pittsburgh,Pa.15237 Member No.: 14 Region Association: None |
I have a $99 Devilbiss from Eastwood(I think) It works just fine for the blind squirel who occasionally finds a nut! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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jasons |
Nov 30 2005, 02:04 PM
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Jackstand Extraordinaire Group: Members Posts: 2,002 Joined: 19-August 04 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 2,573 Region Association: None |
I got a Devilbiss Finishline 3. from here:
http://www.spraygundepot.com/scripts/depot...nsdepotgate.bbx Its good enough for me. Not sure what that says about me.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) You could spend hundreds more, but what good is a Steinway if all you can play is Chopsticks? |
crash914 |
Nov 30 2005, 04:21 PM
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its a mystery to me Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 17-March 03 From: Marriottsville, MD Member No.: 434 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I just got done reworking the deer mark on my MV...used a cheap HVLP gun on the primer...used the Devillbiss on the color and clear...
I will be clear...the better the gun, the easier to paint. I can't swing a $400 gun now..did just fine with the 99 special.. Another tip, crank up the air pressure... the more the better....later |
Brett W |
Nov 30 2005, 04:29 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
HVLP was mandated by the EPA for the industry to lower harmful emmissions. As were water based paints. I am sure modern HVLP guns are much better than the early ones, but I still don't feel they atomize the paint as well. I have a hard enough time trying to get rid of mottling as is. From what I have seen unless they are controlled by law the guys I know will shoot standard High pressure guns. Gravity feed is the way to go though, whether it be HVLP or standard guns.
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iamchappy |
Nov 30 2005, 05:30 PM
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It all happens so fast! Group: Members Posts: 4,893 Joined: 5-November 03 From: minnetonka, mn Member No.: 1,315 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Ive always liked the Graco guns
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jsteele22 |
Nov 30 2005, 05:59 PM
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Can you elaborate ? Is it just a waste of money to use a nice tool on a less demanding job ? Does the primer mess up the gun ? On a related note, are used guns a viable option ? Or do they get trashed ? I'm in the same boat as the original poster : think I'll (maybe) do primer myself, then hand it off to the pros. |
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jasons |
Nov 30 2005, 06:11 PM
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If I may.... You don't "need" to use a good gun for primer. You "can" ruin your tip if you don't clean it well. But that goes for paint too. If you do shoot primer and paint with the same gun, get different tips. The primer tip will be bigger than the paint tip. I wouldn't F with a used gun you didn't know the history of. |
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scotty b |
Nov 30 2005, 07:13 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
I agree; that is one of the most assinine statements yet. I paint damn near every day, either primer, or spray poly and use nothing but HVLP. Even my spray poly gun is a HVLP. Is a Sata wereth the money? Yes if you plan to do more than 2 cars. No for just one car. In my opinion. I use Sata for everything but my clear coat. For that I use an Iwata. If there is ANYTHING that atomizes better then the Sata, it is that. I also have a Devilbiss OMX which I use alot for any quick werk. Really good gun but you can't buy it anymore (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) Basically get a 1.7 tip for surfacer sealer, and a 1.3-1.4 for base clear and if you want to cheap out use it for your etch prime too. I have a rack of 8 guns at werk. A little overkill, specially since 3 of them never get used, oh yeah they are Titans. Bought out of curiosity, cat died. |
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