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| Andyrew |
 Dec 10 2005, 10:25 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait  Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California 
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I really wouldnt mind putting a bigger front sway bar on my car, but since im plowing from understeer around town, im not really worrying about it..
BUT I am not rather liking the 350 or 500 I'd have to spend to get a good bar on my car. I currently have a stock bar up front, and 22mm T bars (ya, thats my kicker up front...) I was thinking that one of these coleman bars would work.. (IMG:http://www.colemanracing.com/catalog/images/pn658.jpg) They have the bar thickness from 3/4in to 1 1/2 in... Bar is 37.5 in long... Could it work? I know there will be fabrication involved (im cool with that.. only means more fun..) http://www.colemanracing.com/catalog/index...&sort=2a&page=1 Also, they have Just the bars at different lengths. But only at 1 1/4 thickness. Lengths from 32" to 43" and .125, .188, and .25 wall (whatever that means) Bars by themselves for 110 bucks. Any thoughts?? |
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| Aaron Cox |
Dec 10 2005, 10:33 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
check out slugmika's blog. he has a custom swaybar also.
the wall thickness will affect stiffness.... do a little research on what standard porsche bars are... guessing pretty soft compared to nascars..... im not sure what the length of a stock bar is..... i say go for it....! |
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| DanT |
Dec 10 2005, 10:39 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
Putting a bigger bar up front is not going to help your understeer. What size rear springs do you run and do you run a rear bar?
You either need to go down in T bar size or up your rear spring rate. Bigger front bar will only make it worse at this point. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) |
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| Mueller |
Dec 10 2005, 10:41 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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means they are hollow just like the sm@rtracing bars (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif).... with a little bit of thought, you could be running the same size bar as Trekkor (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smash.gif) |
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| Andyrew |
Dec 10 2005, 10:43 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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I saw his bar as well.
I sent him a message, maybe he'll give me some info. Anyone have a stock front sway bar that they can measure as far as length? Thanks! Andrew |
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| Andyrew |
Dec 10 2005, 10:45 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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As per my problem of understeer, Yes, I know.
But I currently have 180's on the rear with no sway bar in my v8. I want to put a rear sway bar (I have one ready to go in) And I want to put 225 or stiffer springs in the back as well. Also I can Easily make this bar adjustable... Adjusting it for autox and track driving. Thanks for your comments... Andrew |
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| DanT |
Dec 10 2005, 10:48 PM
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Going back to the Dark Side! Group: Members Posts: 4,300 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 2,880 Region Association: None |
Stock bar is right at 40 inches in length.
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| Andyrew |
Dec 10 2005, 10:50 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Thanks dan!
That gives me one step closer. |
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| Aaron Cox |
Dec 10 2005, 10:51 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
PM sent
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| Andyrew |
Dec 10 2005, 11:04 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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| dlo914 |
Dec 11 2005, 01:34 AM
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Whatchu' lookin' at?!?! Group: Members Posts: 3,432 Joined: 6-September 04 From: San Gabriel, CA Member No.: 2,697 |
if you do upgrade your front bar, could i call first dibs on the old bar? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) |
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| Andyrew |
Dec 11 2005, 01:41 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Already dibbed out... lol
Gona be traded for a front windshield... |
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| dlo914 |
Dec 11 2005, 01:44 AM
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Whatchu' lookin' at?!?! Group: Members Posts: 3,432 Joined: 6-September 04 From: San Gabriel, CA Member No.: 2,697 |
Darn o wells...one less item to do on the list. I'm gonna sell the 14 anyways once i get her looking sweet n running nice (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) |
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| groot |
Dec 11 2005, 11:16 AM
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Dis member Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 17-December 03 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,444 |
I've used this type of bar for my car. I got the parts from Speedway Engineering. Decent prices.
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| jd74914 |
Dec 11 2005, 11:40 AM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
I wish they made the bars with square end mounts instead of splined ones (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)
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| Brett W |
Dec 11 2005, 11:51 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None
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This style of bar is really common on race cars. You can get many different end sizes as well as hollow and solid bars. They offer many different styles of arms. Get the aluminum, the steel stuff weighs a ton. It is something like .750 thick steel bar stock.
I scored a 3/4 bar off ebay for 4 dollars and the arms were 25$. Watch the Nascar auctions on ebay during the off season for great deals. I don't remember the length on mine but it uses the bigger splined ends so it could go up to at least 1 1/8 in diameter before it would start getting bigger than the splines. www.1speedway.com list all the specs on their stuff as well as listing torsional rating charts. I think you need to go with the 42" length that they offer. I'll have to look at my bar. it you want I'll see if it will work on your application and give you a really good deal. |
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| Andyrew |
Dec 11 2005, 12:20 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Groot, would you mind sending some pics if you have any to me? Thanks!
adalen@pacbell.net Brett, your not going to use the bar? IF not (and you think I could get it to work) I'd certainly be intersted. LET me know. Thanks guys! Andrew |
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| Brett W |
Dec 11 2005, 12:32 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None
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my setup will use bars less than 20inches long so I probably won't use it. Let me measure it for you this week and see if it will work in your application.
Do you have a welder? You will need to reinforce the mounting points on the body with Engmans kit and you will have to fab up a way to attach the pillow blocks to the chassis, but all that is little details. Your not afraid of a little fab work are yah (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) |
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| Andyrew |
Dec 11 2005, 12:40 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Nope, and im asking santa for a Miller (or a lincon) mig /w gas for christmas (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
Fab just means more fun! Whatever you got I'll make work, I'll be making a custom bar for the front, and the rear.. Thanks! Andrew. |
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| groot |
Dec 11 2005, 02:12 PM
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Dis member Group: Members Posts: 896 Joined: 17-December 03 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,444 |
Here's a pic... pretty dirty and partially diassembled.
Funny thing.... one of Eric's crew members accused me of stealing this idea from Eric. But, Nascar's been doing it the way for years and I hadn't even seen Eric's car until the Runoffs. Things I would/will change... the lever arm is seriously heavy. I'll replace it eventually with a lighter piece that allows me to put the link in double shear instead of single shear. Attached image(s) 
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