 2006 SCCA rules are out, and I'm pissed |
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| Joe Ricard |
 Dec 21 2005, 12:20 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU  Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92  |
the SM-2 minimum wieght is now 2100 pounds!!!!
That puts me seriously under wieght. Not to mention this is the only reason I was half assed fast to begin with. I got two choices. go back to D Street prepared with a stock motor. Yuck!!! Which I haven't disected the rules yet but hope I am not limited to 1.7L because my car is a 70. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) Or sell the whole frigging thing and buy a Bad ass shifter Kart that is rolling 10/10ths of the rules. Will consider all serious offers or Kart trades. |
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| Aaron Cox |
Dec 21 2005, 12:23 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
that suks...
whats your weight right now? (is it with driver?) i bet your no less than 1900... |
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| Joe Ricard |
Dec 21 2005, 12:27 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Last I weighed at was 1965 lbs no driver as the rule book says. So I was close to getting the old number of 1900 lbs minimum. The Tangerine header I probably have enroute to my house woulda helped alot. Now it makes it worser. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/burnout.gif)
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| watsonrx13 |
Dec 21 2005, 12:32 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,734 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Plant City, FL Member No.: 312 Region Association: South East States |
Yep, you were the one that caused the rules to be changed, you kept getting closer and closer to getting TTOD.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
Now you'll be able to counter balance everything with that extra 200 pounds you'll have to carry.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/poke.gif) |
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| Allan |
Dec 21 2005, 12:33 PM
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Teenerless Weenie Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California |
I have a set of '75 bumpers you can have. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif)
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| TROJANMAN |
Dec 21 2005, 12:39 PM
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Looks nice in pictures......... Group: Members Posts: 5,271 Joined: 5-March 04 From: Colorado Member No.: 1,753 Region Association: None |
eat a big christmas dinner. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/chowtime.gif)
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| Joe Ricard |
Dec 21 2005, 01:08 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Hey Rob wanna trade a really nice Early 914 with LOTS and LOTS of extras for your crappy silver Miata.
E Stock here I come (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif) Whoa Whoa Whoa . WTF was I thinking I can't drive a chic car. Never mind. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) |
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| jhadler |
Dec 21 2005, 01:11 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
Well, it does suck when "competition adjustments" are handed down. But I doubt they were thinking of the 914 when they did...
As for DSP? You can run any "stock" 4 banger motor. Yes, a 2.0 L is perfect in a '70. And you can still use those super sweet tangerine headers. As for changing classes? Would the extra 150 lbs really impact your standings that much? I mean, you're in SM2 right? So go ahead and drop in that 3.2L supercharged flat six and go Vette hunting! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Sorry bout that Joe. The SMAC probably just wanted to make sure that the vettes would still be able to play now that they've allowed subframe mods, the turbo rotary miatas will start showing up... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) If you run DSP you won't be alone. I'll be out there again this year, and I'll have to run against the reigning national Champion here as well... -Josh2 |
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| J P Stein |
Dec 21 2005, 01:12 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
piece of cake. Do what I do....LIE. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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| Joe Ricard |
Dec 21 2005, 01:18 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Say it isn't so. I really wanted to go to Nationals this year and be more than a field filler. Still plan on going to Divisionals in Houston. Wonder how long it will take to get the stripper racing. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) Some of the mods to the yellow car are not un-do able. don't want to show up and be sent away. Not sure I understand the Street prepared rule on Fenders. can I put fiberglass Gt flares on it? Did I mention I want a shifter Kart. |
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| Jake Raby |
Dec 21 2005, 01:36 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Joe, where di you get the info??I'm wondering if they penalized us in the EP and FP classes...
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| jhadler |
Dec 21 2005, 01:47 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
Joe,
Fenders are pretty much fair game in Street Prepared, you just can't replace whole quarter panels. Wheels are unrestricted, as is induction and exhaust (can't put a turbo on a non-turbo car though). Any spring rate, any sway bar, and any non-metalic bushing. I think on the right course, the 914 can hold it own, even nationally. But on a power course, the bimmers will walk away... Jake, These are the Solo rules for autox classes, EP and FP (club racing classes) might get some lead trophies, but I don't know. We'll have to wait 'till the GCR is out for club racing. Is it out yet?.... -Josh2 |
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| GaroldShaffer |
Dec 21 2005, 01:59 PM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,623 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None 
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif) Run DSP Check my sig (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) 70 with a 2.0L (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) |
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| Joe Ricard |
Dec 21 2005, 02:01 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/168510.aspx These are just SOLO rules. Which I wonder, Since ALL of your engines put 914's in Street mod or higher. Probably won't hurt your business any from us CSOB's anyway. Street prepared says any flywheel clutch. .0472 oversize piston of the same weight and construction combustion chamber design. Are Euro pistons Legal? I bet not if you look further into the rules and write the SEB. SO stock cam, with stock heads port matched 1" from opening shaved .010 (factory put head gaskets in the orignal motors so deleting them is .010), balanced rotating assy. Says nothing about valve springs so my dual valve spring heads are out. So why balance rotating parts as the valves will float anyway. |
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| Jake Raby |
Dec 21 2005, 02:07 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
I knew they were SOLO rules- I was just wondering if the GCR or a sneak peak of it were somewhere...
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| jhadler |
Dec 21 2005, 02:10 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
Jake,
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| nein14-6 |
Dec 21 2005, 02:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 93 Joined: 4-October 04 From: Mount Airy, MD Member No.: 2,883 |
Jake,
The new rules are out on SCCA.org. I don't see anything that has changed other then printing what has been allowed during the coarse of the year. |
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| jhadler |
Dec 21 2005, 02:23 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
Jake,
I haven't heard about any lead trophies for Production. It's possible the comp board may change their minds and do somethign dastardly, but who knows... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/slap.gif) I would expect a few classes to get "competition adjustments", but no way to know right now. Chris? Erik? Know anything we don't? Joe, You're pretty much right on about the engine allowances. There's not a lot you can do -inside- the motor. Oh, you can't delete the head gasket... The VW's could because there was a TSB saying so, but Porsche never released a TSB deleteing the head gasket, so you gotta keep it. I did... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif) There are some -grey- areas that can be exploited though... Like shaving the case instead of the heads... Probably can't get too much threre without fuching up the geometry somewhere, but it's a grey area as there are no factory specs on the case dimensions... Definitely something Jake could figure out though... Oh, you can't strip the interior either... In Street Prepared, weight is everything, as power is limited... -Josh2 |
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| Brett W |
Dec 21 2005, 03:00 PM
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Joe, in SM you are required to have a full interior, that means dash, back pad, full, door panels, carpets, etc. You are also required to keep the sound deadening as well. My street car with full steel panels, except for some fiberglass flares was 2080 with out me in it. It had no sound deadening, and heaters.
Build you a T4 and put a small T3 or 14B turbo on it and you will wax everyones ass. Trust me you have nothing to worry about. THis will just allow you to put the weight were you want it. Down low and in the middle. |
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| jhadler |
Dec 21 2005, 03:14 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
Brett, you're kidding right? A turbo T-IV in SM2 will have what? 175 hp? Maybe 200 tops? And weigh in at 2100 lbs. Now put that up against a Z06 with well over 500 hp and weighing in at maybe 2800 lbs? yeah, right...good luck...
I don't see it hapening... The only way I see a 914 is gonna be nationally competitive in SM2 is for someone to break down and put a big ol' supercharged six in there with monster flares, big arse wheels and tahrs, a 915 gear box, a pretty thorough cage to reinforce the chassis, and some really good suspension work... Really, when the rules were first proposed for Street Mod, it was intended to address the common mods done to modern tuner cars. From day one I saw the class as a mega cubic dollar class. Only now are cars starting to show up that are getting close to the limit of the rules.... Somehow, I don't think that even Grant (the guy who basically -wrote- the rules) really expected the class to become what it has. But once the Genie gets out of the bottle, it's pretty tough to get 'em back in there... -Josh2 |
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