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TheCabinetmaker
post Sep 18 2003, 07:16 PM
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Last years Musr was just about the best time I've had in a 914 in my 30 years of 914 ownership. 25 914's on the highway in line was one of the most awesome sights I've ever seen. We've been planning the return trip since we got back last year.
Today my dreams were shattered. I lost # 2 cylinder on Monday. Fire is good, injector has good spray, valves are adjusted right. All the basics were checked and rechecked. Purchased new compression tester today(damn I hate it when tools disappear), and the news is not good. 1 thru 4 read like this; 135,30, 90,135. Checked # 2 first. Read zero. Freaked out. Checked the rest and came back to # 2. After about 5 revs, it jumped to 30, but that was it. Gave a squirt of oil in all cylinders and no change. I have two heads in the shop that are supposed to be ready next week. If I'm capable of a monster garage thing, The 914 will make the trip. Besides intake/exhaust, and head gaskets, what parts will I need on hand to do the head swap? Can I get them in a week? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

All info will help.

Heart broke in T town, Curt
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post Sep 18 2003, 07:19 PM
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I have had many problems, and like most here, I can surely empathize with how that makes you feel.

Sorry man, it's one of the most stressful things I know of, engine trouble.



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post Sep 18 2003, 07:30 PM
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We don't use the head gaskets anymore so leave those out.


Dropped seat maybe??

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post Sep 18 2003, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Sep 18 2003, 08:30 PM)
We don't use the head gaskets anymore so leave those out.


Dropped seat maybe??

Geoff

Dropped seat is my guess also damn it!
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post Sep 18 2003, 07:49 PM
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Dropped seat "usually" has zero read and would not cause the other cylinder to be low as well.....could be rocker arm issues.....
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post Sep 18 2003, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(mikez @ Sep 18 2003, 08:49 PM)
Dropped seat "usually" has zero read and would not cause the other cylinder to be low as well.....could be rocker arm issues.....

30 is #2. 90 is # 3. Different sides. How would rocker arms affect this?
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post Sep 18 2003, 07:57 PM
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Missed that...thought they were on the same side....

If it makes you feel any better I am pulling mine as well. Rings are bad and the trans has a nasty clunk from too many burnouts..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Sep 18 2003, 10:41 PM
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Hey Curt... what a bummer. You'll have a happy day soon tho (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) hang in there buddy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Sep 18 2003, 10:52 PM
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Get the engine out this weekend. I have 2 cars without engines as I type this. Both of them will run this weekend. Neither of them have engine tin..and one of them has no heads.

Call the machine shop tomorrow and make sure the heads will be done before 5pm so you can pick them up.

You can do this.. and we can help. I can walk you thru a top end rebuild (I'm fresh off of two of them)

First.. get the thing cleaned up at the car wash (underneath).. take brake cleaner with you and a floorjack.. then yank everything out. Get it to the point that you have all 4 bolts loose and call up a buddy to physically help you lower the engine on a floorjack... you can actually do everything you need to do without removing the engine/tranny from the floorjack.


I want to see you at the MUSR.


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post Sep 18 2003, 11:14 PM
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Brad,

please kick my ass like that every day! with motivation like that 914s will be roaring to life cross country.

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post Sep 18 2003, 11:16 PM
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Locals make fun of me.. they call me the "Tony Robbins" of the 914 world.

Do you want me to list off all the tools needed to pull the engine/tranny ??



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post Sep 19 2003, 12:09 AM
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Making a harbor freight run this weekend (my drivetrain is already out). planning on a drill press and part washer. can you run acetone or toluene (think sniffing glue) through the hf part washer motor?

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post Sep 19 2003, 12:14 AM
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Yes.. you can run anything you want thru it.. they are cheap to replace...LOL

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post Sep 19 2003, 12:16 AM
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Sorry Curt - i wasn't trying to hijack this thread. Brad's right, go for it!
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post Sep 19 2003, 05:31 AM
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I will be in Hot Springs, come hell or bitching customers. I may be in the truck, but I will be there.
I've r&r'd motors before, so I have all the tools. I plan on taking extensive pics and notes for the FI reassembly. I know where most everything goes. The big thing will be if I can kick my machinist in the ass, and get the heads.

Thanks for the words of encouragement, Brad. I'm sure I will be contacting you for much info. A list of necessary parts to have ready would be the first thing. I will remove the engine this weekend, and have it ready for the swap when I get my heads.

All this said, I'm still assuming its only the heads and doesn't need rings, since the oil in cylinders didn't help.

Jeff, I have to go for it. Just don't have two grand to let Rennsport Tulsa do it for me.
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post Sep 19 2003, 06:57 AM
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Being a person who is stubborn, obstinate, and hates to admit defeat, I rechecked the valves on #2(for the fourth time) Hey, intake was tight! Loosened it up, and compression went right to 90. Still to low on two and three, but better than 30, and does indeed indicate valves. Could be it wasn't fully closed when I set it yesterday, but not likely. Exhaust was on the money.

Lots of work going on today, so I won't be able to button it up till tonight. I will see if we're hitting on all four, let it get good and hot, and recheck vlave when it cools off to see if it's moving.

What kind of noise should I hear, if any, to incicate a loose seat?
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post Sep 19 2003, 12:07 PM
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It will be a horrible noise. You'll now when its dropping a seat.

Thanks for jumping on this.. I want to see YOU and your 914 at the event. Not you and your truck.


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post Sep 19 2003, 12:29 PM
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I just run mineral spirits in my parts washer. It works well, is cheap, and readily available.

I did this at the suggestion of an old school mechanic...
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post Sep 19 2003, 12:31 PM
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By the way, I agree that is a HORRIBLE noise....It was so bad I almost cried....getting teared up thinking about it. Well, thinking about the new heavy breather I'm putting in to replace it helps....
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post Sep 19 2003, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Sep 18 2003, 09:16 PM)
Do you want me to list off all the tools needed to pull the engine/tranny ??



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If you don't mind, please and thank you. My engine comes out Monday and it's the boy's first 914 job. That'd be a handy list for him to have.
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