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poohsan
post Jul 23 2006, 11:44 PM
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I took my wife for her first ride in my Teener. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) She was not happy with the noise volume. What are my options when it comes to quieter mufflers? I’m not sure what I currently have but I’ve been told that it is not stock. I also know I have an exhaust leak.

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post Jul 24 2006, 12:11 AM
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the factory muffler works well.....next would be a Bursch....the unit you have are known to be loud and rust and be too heavy...
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post Jul 24 2006, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE(poohsan @ Jul 23 2006, 10:44 PM) *

I took my wife for her first ride in my Teener. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) She was not happy with the noise volume. What are my options when it comes to quieter mufflers? I’m not sure what I currently have but I’ve been told that it is not stock. I also know I have an exhaust leak.

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Carbs or stock injection? Is the sound pad still present on the engine side of the firewall? Do you have any exhaust leaks? Looks like you're running the Monza four-tip exhaust. It's louder for sure, and is really raspy compared to a Bursch setup's deeper tone.

My current teener has a Bursch muffler with the stock 2.0 D-jet injection and I can't believe how quite it is compared to my '71 that also had a Bursch, but that had been converted over to dual 40 IDF carbs. Intake noise was fun around town, but that much noise made normal conversation a burden and was also rather fatiguing on longer trips (geez, am I getting older or boring?).

Stock hotdog mufflers are heavy.

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post Jul 24 2006, 01:54 AM
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Let your wife drive the teener and then she'll get it.
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post Jul 24 2006, 11:17 AM
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I agree with Randy, and add that if your Bursch is loud it's probably rusted out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) They are very quiet when new. The engine bay sound pad, although a water trap and despised by most everyone, is VERY effective at reducing the sound in the cabin. I get phone calls from a few people while on the road and I can't even tell they're in their 914 or a brand new car. It helps so much.
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post Jul 24 2006, 11:22 AM
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I have the Sebring from Pelican. I would say it is relatively quiet... but still has a nice rumble when under load. Inexpensive too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jul 24 2006, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(McMark @ Jul 24 2006, 10:17 AM) *

I agree with Randy, and add that if your Bursch is loud it's probably rusted out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) They are very quiet when new. The engine bay sound pad, although a water trap and despised by most everyone, is VERY effective at reducing the sound in the cabin. I get phone calls from a few people while on the road and I can't even tell they're in their 914 or a brand new car. It helps so much.


I never said that he has a Bursch, but was just sharing the experiences I've had with them. He has a four-tip Monza. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) The Monza mufflers I've seen are usually half rotten, and I'm surprised to see all four tips still attached on his.
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post Jul 24 2006, 11:35 AM
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I bought a four tip Monza and could stand it for less than a year. Just too damn noisy for my taste. I found I was pussy-footing the accelerator when in my neighborhood and when pulling into my driveway. I went back to the stock set-up for relief and got rid of the Monza. I later tried a Bursch which I found to be okay.
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post Jul 24 2006, 11:36 AM
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Your current muffler with the up swept tips looks like an Anza to me, I have the same

on mine. Yes it is loud but motorcycles run loud pipes for saftey (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) and I like the

tone.
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post Jul 24 2006, 11:42 AM
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Your current muffler with the up swept tips looks like an Anza to me, I have the same

on mine. Yes it is loud but motorcycles run loud pipes for saftey (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) and I like the

tone.


It's my understanding that Monza copied the look of Anza mufflers. Ansa is the real deal, and you'll find them on some of the more interesting Italian and other European cars. However, I don't think Ansa ever made an exhaust system for Porsche/VW.
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post Jul 24 2006, 06:38 PM
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I'm pretty sure the 4 tip muffler I recently removed from a car at my shop says ANSA on it.
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post Jul 24 2006, 06:44 PM
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I'm pretty sure the 4 tip muffler I recently removed from a car at my shop says ANSA on it.


Waaah? You wouldn't dare to say that I might be mistaken, WOULD YOU?!?!?!?

Ok, so I might be mistaken. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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post Jul 24 2006, 07:53 PM
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Quieter? Go with a Bursch and promptly head to a muffler shop. Tell them you would like a very quiet muffler installed. I think they come with a magnaflow or something that's decent on the quiet scale, but louder than stock.
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post Jul 24 2006, 10:10 PM
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To answer the first set of questions:

- Stock injection
- No sound pad
- Yes there is an exhaust leak

I do agree that the current loud pipes give me a little visibility (audible) which I like. But overall the sound is too much.

So the consensus here is to go with a stock muffler ($$$) or with the Bursch.

Is the Bursch a direct bolt in or will I need to go to the muffler shop?

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post Jul 24 2006, 10:39 PM
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What about Triad?

I have read here that folks like 'em, but I don't know how they compare sound / performance-wise to a Bursch. Rumor has it they will last longer.

My issue is the looks. They make them only as dual pipes and everyone I have seen is on a car running no rear valance (unofficial WCC survey).

Anyone have one with the valance in place? How do it look?



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post Jul 25 2006, 08:37 AM
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I say fix your exhaust leak first, then see how it sounds
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post Jul 25 2006, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(poohsan @ Jul 24 2006, 08:10 PM) *


So the consensus here is to go with a stock muffler ($$$) or with the Bursch.

Is the Bursch a direct bolt in or will I need to go to the muffler shop?

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The Bursch was a direct bolt on for me. I recommend the Bursch with the "quiet" muffler version as opposed to the glass pack cherry bomb version they also sell.

People with Triad mufflers seem to love them. I don't have any experience with them though.

I just realized you have a 75 1.8 car. Do you still have the original 75 three bolt flange single pipe heat exchangers. If so, this may limit your options. I think the 75-76 original equipment mufflers are NLA. I don't know if Triad offers a muffler for the 75-76 years. Bursch does have a system.
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post Jul 25 2006, 04:57 PM
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Well, if you want quiet, this might be a good way to go:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?show...c=47978&hl=

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post Jul 26 2006, 06:56 AM
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A very heavy muffler


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post Jul 26 2006, 07:09 AM
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The ANSA/Monza mufflers rusted on the shelf.....
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