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> Mini-starter goes "ping!", What the hell.
LowGT
post Oct 9 2006, 11:12 AM
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So I swapped to a 2.0 and a new mini-starter and everything has been starting fine for the last two weeks. I went to tune the carbs last night and it started fine. After the car warmed up I shut it off to remove the carb linkage. (I think it's easier to adjust this way) When I tried to start it, all I got was a loud "ping".

I checked the battery and it was a bit low. I charged it all night and no difference, so I bought a new battery. Still only got the ping. So I check and clean all grounds, checked the voltage regulator wiring. Everything is in tip-top shape. Tried it start, PING! All the gauge lights dim like maybe the starter will turn, but it never does. I tried turning the engine by hand and it turns fine. It sounds like the starter gear is just coming out and hitting the flywheel, and never turning.


Any ideas?
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post Oct 9 2006, 11:27 AM
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Did you whack it with a wooden mallet?

It sounds like the starter motor has a stuck/locked rotor. I bet the amp draw is incredible. Don't try starting it for too long in this condition.

The easiest thing to do would be to drop the starter out and bench test it outside the car.

You might want to call whoever you bought it from. Isn't it warrantied?
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post Oct 9 2006, 11:28 AM
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did you get the right starter?? A bug one won't work as it just barely engauges the teeth.
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post Oct 9 2006, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Oct 9 2006, 12:28 PM) *

did you get the right starter?? A bug one won't work as it just barely engauges the teeth.



It's the evilbay model that said it was for 914/911. They still could have sent the wrong one, but it was working fine for 2 weeks. :shrug:

I'll try the mallet when I get home from work.
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post Oct 9 2006, 12:36 PM
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Oh put the same one in 2 weeks ago. I hope it's not a regular defect.
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post Oct 9 2006, 01:19 PM
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WOT...

Your post reminded me of this....

Monty Python - The Machine that goes "PING".
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post Oct 9 2006, 09:22 PM
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Push start the car, and then kill it and try the starter again.
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post Oct 10 2006, 07:14 AM
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Is the timing right?

With my high compression engine, if the tiiming is too high, the starter just won't push past that first ignition point (10.5 to 1, webers, high lift cam). Back off the timing advance a degree or two (rotate dizzy clockwise just a fraction) just to see if it makes a difference.
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post Oct 11 2006, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE(McMark @ Oct 9 2006, 10:22 PM) *

Push start the car, and then kill it and try the starter again.


I can't push start because I don't have the throttle stuff hooked up yet. I still need to make my throttle bracket for the webers.

QUOTE(SGB @ Oct 10 2006, 08:14 AM) *

Is the timing right?


I just set it the day before this happened. 27 degree at 3500rpm on the nose. Valves were adjusted just prior to setting timing.

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post Oct 11 2006, 01:37 AM
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Ok, I took the starter off and bench tested it. It ran fine. Gear popped out and spun like nuts.

Cleaned the positive terminal at the starter and ran a wire wheel around the starter mounting surface on the tranny. Re-installed the starter, getting a strong 12.8 volts from the new battery... and nothing, just the good old PING noise.

I hooked up the remote start trigger for shits and giggles, same result.

WTF is going on!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif)


My only option is too put the original starter back on and see if that will start it. Do you think I could take the mini-starter to the FLAPS and have it tested? Maybe it just can't perform under load?
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post Oct 11 2006, 01:49 AM
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Look up inside the starter hole and see if you see "shiny" cut back teeth. If you run the wrong starter long enough, it will grind off the very leading edge of the teeth on the ring gear. Sooner or later it wont engage.

Stick a stock starter back on it and test it.


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post Oct 11 2006, 02:28 AM
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Teeth looked fine.

Put the stock starter in and it worked fine, car started. I'm sure it won't start it after it gets hot though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Funny thing is, I bench tested the stocker to make sure it worked before I went through the trouble of installing it, and it spun faster/harder than the mini-starter. There must be a motor issue with the mini-starter. Time to see if evilbay man will warrenty his product.
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post Oct 11 2006, 04:48 AM
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Keep us informed because i was >< close to buying one of them ity bitty starters from the evilbay man.
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post Oct 11 2006, 05:53 AM
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I have had the mini starter for a few years now and it turns my rebuilt 2.7 all day long. Just FYI. I think Mamacita had the same starter and the gear broke off. Maybe just a bad batch, but the guy warranteed it.
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post Oct 11 2006, 01:27 PM
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Mamacita has a BOSCH rebuilt.
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post Oct 11 2006, 01:31 PM
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Are you sure? I thought that she bought the Ebay one.
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post Oct 11 2006, 05:20 PM
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I buy my gear reduction starters from IMI out of LA. They are the ones who designed the aluminum adapters and gear drives for the Japanese style/Honda starters to be used on ALL cars.

It makes sense that the smaller starter would appear to spin slower.. it is designed to have more torque.



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post Oct 11 2006, 05:24 PM
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its having performance anxiety....

give it a minute, and tell it that it happens to everystarter....
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post Oct 11 2006, 06:38 PM
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OT:I just got a brand new 911 starter from Mueller in the mail yesterday.

It spins like this.... *SNAPPOP*WINGDIINNNGGGG DING DING DING WIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR DING SNAP!

Which reminds me. THANKS, MUELLER!!!!!!
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post Oct 12 2006, 01:25 AM
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I talked to the guy and the starter does have a 1 year warrenty. He gave me the info to ship it back and I could have it replaced or my money refunded, whichever I liked.

Very nice guy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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