 914/4 to 914/6 by Volker (WOW that is a fast car), poormans conversion project (almost done 2/15/07) |
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| Cruzing |
 Nov 8 2006, 04:48 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 23-October 06 From: San Diego Member No.: 7,082  |
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Hi, I am new to this forum, been deciding to buy or convert my car, I have found out a lot of good info from this great forum and have noticed that all the conversions are built top of the line... (forgive all my misspellings please) Well, I have found some problems with the cost, so what am I after, preformence or just a better 914 car. *a little of both* I choose the better 914 car, building just enough, not overbuilding the car, I think the 914/4 was just fine, but with the decline of the 2.0 heads, it has become a nightmare with the rebuilds, so the 6 cyl is the answer, but how far do I take it. for me the $ counts and I want to limit the spend while still having a fully fun 914. So, with Volkers help & thrifty mind, we will build ours on available not hard to find parts, I we will build a poormans 914/6 conversion.. Volker thinks that a larger motor is not the answer, it puts too much HP on the stock car components, he believes 140-180 hp is all you need for a good preforming, non race car, that way the existing brakes and trans will do. Too much HP costs.. *updated 2/15/07 Total install price $10,000 so far* Engine: DONE & RECEIVED 911S 2.4 w/180 HP block #6129118, magnesium *Flywheell was easy to find, I reused my clutch and pressure plate.* *Had to upgrade Tach* Carbs: DONE & RECEIVED We will be using Zienith, make and model I need to get.. Volker is altering the choke system and machining the venturi's from a stock 27mm to 30mm *Accelerator linkage: used stock 914 cable and welded up a bracket mount and made a link connection to carb. bye-passing the rear swing link, cost was $5.00* Sheet Metal(Tin): DONE & RECEIVED (missing back piece as per bid) cost $115.00 from Dr Evil a very nice member.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) *Had to cut and paiste the old 914 rear tin to close off opening* Headers: DONE & RECEIVED *stock shift rod clearance was cool* Oil hoses: *bought oil hose from Porshe and clamped them on.. welded up adapters at engine locations* Oil Tank: DONE & RECIEVED *boil out and sealing cost $60.00* donated by Grantsfo another very nice member, he is sending FREE, cost $0.00, thank you Front Motor mount: DONE JOHNMAN has agreed to make me a custom mount for $180.00 plus shipping, another very nice member, posted his template today, will be done in a week... then shipping *welded up in place great, I added two bolts each to secure before welding* Relay board reconfiguration: *Working, posted on end of thread* this is the start picture of my car, I will be fully documenting all processes as they occure..(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) *posted updates at thread end*   This post has been edited by Cruzing: May 29 2007, 01:15 PM |
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| TravisNeff |
Nov 8 2006, 05:05 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region 
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a 2.2S engine is 180HP, no?
Sounds like a fun project. |
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| Cruzing |
Nov 8 2006, 05:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 23-October 06 From: San Diego Member No.: 7,082 |
QUOTE(Travis Neff @ Nov 8 2006, 03:05 PM)  a 2.2S engine is 180HP, no? Sounds like a fun project. opps, sorry 2.4 180 hp... fixing and thanks for the catch |
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| Trekkor |
Nov 8 2006, 05:49 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Welcome to the club!!
All the resources are here to help you get your project done and under budget. After you gather all the parts, you could very well do the swap in a weekend with a little help. My "Shall I say...SIX?" thread may be helpful to you. KT |
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| SLITS |
Nov 8 2006, 06:24 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
QUOTE(Cruzing @ Nov 8 2006, 02:48 PM) Hi, I am new to this forum, been deciding to buy or convert my car, I have found out alot of good info from this great forum and have noticed that all the conversions are built top of the line... (forgive all my mispellings please) Well, I have found some problems with the cost, so what am I after, proformance or just a better 914 car. I choose the better 914 car, building just enough, not overbuilding the car, I think the 914/4 was just fine, but with the decline of the 2.0 heads, it has become a nightmare with the rebuilts, so the 6 cyl is the answere, but how far do I take it. for me the $ counts and I want to limit the spend while still having a fully fun 914. So, with Volkers help & thrifty mind, we will build ours on availble not hard to find parts, I we will build a poormans 914/6 conversion.. Volker thinks that a larger motor is not the answere, it puts too much HP on the stock car componants, he believes 140-180 hp is all you need for a good proforming, non race car, that way the existing brakes and trans will do. Too much HP costs.. Engine: 911s 2.4 liter, 180 HP Carbs: We will be using Zienith, make and model I need to get.. Volker is altering the choke system and machining the air intakes from stock 30mm to 40mm Sheet Metal: I saw a guy here on the forum that builds them, lost it..searchingSet on eBay or call Pelican or GPR ..... aftermarket about $350 -$425 Headers: On eBay from same seller as sheetmetal above. Otherwise headers at about $400 a set ..... stock good effin' luck and if you have luck somewhere between $900 - $1300 a set used searching Oilsump and hoses ...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) aftermarket and Braided stainless searching front motor mount:Maddog copy of Rich Johnson mount ... on eBay...$275 - $$350 searching Ignition wiring harness:make your own and use the /4 relay board searching As I get this stuff and information compiled, I will post who where links on all my findings, so you guys behind me can easily get yours done too, unless money is not problem....(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) There is a Motor Volker is building up, he said there are only 2 blocks left in the world and he has one, let ya know later... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) the bock is a iroc alum case "lite case" add the rest later this is the start picture of my car, I will be fully documenting all processes as they occure..(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Mine's complete .... with all the components above .... just having a small (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) engine oil overheating problem. So now, a remote cooler .... after that, who knows ......and as far as doing it in one day by yourself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Nov 8 2006, 06:46 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,819 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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Why Zeiniths instead of Webers? I'm not a fan of the Z carbs.
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| jd74914 |
Nov 8 2006, 06:51 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,848 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(9146986 @ Nov 8 2006, 07:46 PM) Why Zeiniths instead of Webers? I'm not a fan of the Z carbs. Just out of curiousity, why? |
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| Cruzing |
Nov 8 2006, 06:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 23-October 06 From: San Diego Member No.: 7,082 |
Thanks guy's, hope your right on getting the parts & under budget, need to gather them up quickly, Volkers on a mission, hey, I will post a pic of him, a lot of you guys have heard of him and wondered how's he doing. I get a update going on him for ya..
The basic's, he is charging $8,000 for rebuilt motor, labor on install and any modifications that may come up. The parts I am asking for here are on me. I pay for them and provide them to him.. got my credit card or mail a check ta get er done, .. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) sheet metal for the motor, I have lost track of the guys name that prefabs that stuff, need help.. |
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| Cruzing |
Nov 8 2006, 06:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 23-October 06 From: San Diego Member No.: 7,082 |
QUOTE(jd74914 @ Nov 8 2006, 04:51 PM) QUOTE(9146986 @ Nov 8 2006, 07:46 PM) Why Zeiniths instead of Webers? I'm not a fan of the Z carbs. Just out of curiousity, why? Well, as per Volker, webbers are trouble waiting to happen, dependability issue's, he is modifing the zeniths for depenability and cost of future rebuilds and parts, he in opening up the ventouries (**7^^% wish I could spell) from a stock 30mm to 40 mm, a machine shop task, also something on the choke, drilling them out and altering some how, don't know that part yet.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I will post pic's and what and how he did it later... |
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| grantsfo |
Nov 8 2006, 07:18 PM
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Arrrrhhhh! Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 16-March 03 Member No.: 433 Region Association: None |
All right another cheap six member! Welcome aboard!
I have an original 914-6 sportomatic oil tank that could be cleaned up that I have been saving just for such an occasion if youre interested. I'm always up for helping out a fellow cheap six convert! It needs to be boiled and sealed but it looks useable its yours for free if you want it. |
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| Cruzing |
Nov 8 2006, 07:29 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 23-October 06 From: San Diego Member No.: 7,082 |
QUOTE(grantsfo @ Nov 8 2006, 05:18 PM) All right another cheap six member! Welcome aboard! I have an original 914-6 sportomatic oil tank that could be cleaned up that I have been saving just for such an occasion if youre interested. I'm always up for helping out a fellow cheap six convert! It needs to be boiled and sealed but it looks useable its yours for free if you want it. sent PM with my stats, thank you... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| Cruzing |
Nov 8 2006, 08:01 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 23-October 06 From: San Diego Member No.: 7,082 |
modified orignal post now, no need for info here...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| Cruzing |
Nov 8 2006, 08:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 23-October 06 From: San Diego Member No.: 7,082 |
[quote name='SLITS' date='Nov 8 2006, 04:24 PM' post='812195']
[quote name='Cruzing' post='812115' date='Nov 8 2006, 02:48 PM'] Headers: On eBay from same seller as sheetmetal above. Otherwise headers at about $400 a set ..... stock good effin' luck and if you have luck somewhere between $900 - $1300 a set used Oilsump: Done hoses:...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) aftermarket and Braided stainless front motor mount:Maddog copy of Rich Johnson mount ... on eBay...$275 - $$350 searching Ignition wiring harness:make your own and use the /4 relay board searching [/quote] Maddog copy & header, could not find on a Ebay search, any more referance's I can use? thank you.. ya guys rock...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| G e o r g e |
Nov 8 2006, 08:35 PM
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Dr Group: Members Posts: 1,905 Joined: 20-September 05 From: Southern Cal Member No.: 4,832 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(grantsfo @ Nov 8 2006, 05:18 PM) All right another cheap six member! Welcome aboard! 10k falls in the cheap 6 catagory (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) i thought "cheap sixers" where in the 4000$ range (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) |
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| G e o r g e |
Nov 8 2006, 08:36 PM
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Dr Group: Members Posts: 1,905 Joined: 20-September 05 From: Southern Cal Member No.: 4,832 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Cruzing @ Nov 8 2006, 02:48 PM) but with the decline of the 2.0 heads Brand new 2 ltr heads CNC machined better than NOS (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| Trekkor |
Nov 8 2006, 08:41 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
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| john rogers |
Nov 8 2006, 08:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 4-March 03 From: Chula Vista CA Member No.: 391 |
I would recommend that you have Volker inspect any carbs before you buy them since many times ones that are for sale are are worn out especially where the throttle shafts seal to the bodies. Tripple barrels, no matter what brand are expensive and repair kits are expensive too. I haven't seen Volker in several years but I have raced against his son in Mexico and he builds very good engines.
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| Cruzing |
Nov 8 2006, 08:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 23-October 06 From: San Diego Member No.: 7,082 |
QUOTE(George H. @ Nov 8 2006, 06:35 PM) QUOTE(grantsfo @ Nov 8 2006, 05:18 PM) All right another cheap six member! Welcome aboard! 10k falls in the cheap 6 catagory (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) i thought "cheap sixers" where in the 4000$ range (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) so far the cost is 8,150 plus postage COD due, so where can I buy your 6 cyl. for $4,000, love ta make ya a deal..(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) the cost of the heads that where linked.. Have your very own set of heads featured in the "Hot VWs build up series "Type 4 Torquer"! These heads couple 200 CFM ports with a 2.0 914 chamber and kick serious ass on the dyno and on the street!! A 200 CFM CNC head with 44X36 valves and 2.0 914 chambers AND RELOCATED PLUGS! LE Stands for "Leading edge", another development of Hoffman Automotive machine and Raby's Aircooled Technology! These heads are members are the newest generation of proven cylinder heads for the VW/ Porsche Type 4 engine. All "LE" series heads feature full CNC (computer numerically controlled) machining techniques. CNC technology enhances repeatability between ports and chambers and therefore boosts efficiency all while reducing overall costs and allowing more performance! If it sounds like a dream, wake up and realize this is reality brought to you by the team at Aircooled Technology! Very detailed information (including flow data) concerning the LE 200 cylinder heads can be found by copying and pasting the following URL into your address bar. www.aircooledtechnology.com/le200.htm Details Price: $2,058.00 |
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| Mueller |
Nov 8 2006, 08:46 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,155 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Cruzing @ Nov 8 2006, 06:43 PM) QUOTE(George H. @ Nov 8 2006, 06:35 PM) QUOTE(grantsfo @ Nov 8 2006, 05:18 PM) All right another cheap six member! Welcome aboard! 10k falls in the cheap 6 catagory (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) i thought "cheap sixers" where in the 4000$ range (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) so far the cost is 8,150 plus postage COD due, so where can I buy your 6 cyl. for $4,000, love ta make ya a deal..(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If you have the money, I'd rather have a rebuilt $8K motor than a questionable used $4K motor....usual suspects..eBay, Pelican, craigslist for used /6 engines... |
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| Cruzing |
Nov 8 2006, 08:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 23-October 06 From: San Diego Member No.: 7,082 |
QUOTE(john rogers @ Nov 8 2006, 06:41 PM) I would recommend that you have Volker inspect any carbs before you buy them since many times ones that are for sale are are worn out especially where the throttle shafts seal to the bodies. Tripple barrels, no matter what brand are expensive and repair kits are expensive too. I haven't seen Volker in several years but I have raced against his son in Mexico and he builds very good engines. These are healthy carbs he has on hand, that guy is way to picky to put warn out parts in, drives me nuts when I TRY to help him.. thanks for the heads up, I will check it out with him...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I am going to post up some pic's of him and updates, he tells me he beat the hell out of everyone, in those days, true? to funny, the guy knows his shit though,, thanks.. and you guys rock.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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