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alpha434
post Jan 30 2007, 08:25 PM
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Is it possible for a CV joint to slip out of the carrier without breaking? Mine is supported by just the boot right now, and I'm starting a new job tomorrow at 6am.

I need to know so I'll know exactly what I'm in for when I go to get my car tonight.

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post Jan 30 2007, 08:29 PM
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I would have to say... no. Did you rebuild your axles and forget to put the clip back on the end?

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post Jan 30 2007, 08:31 PM
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Nope. The axles are as they were from previous owner.

Can those screws loosen enough to let the cv joint slip out?
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:37 PM
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I was under the assumption, silly me, that you would have looked at the CV joint bolts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I don't know if the bolts are long enough to do that. The CVs have the two pins to hold them in place, plus four bolts.

In fact, if the bolts are that loose, but still connected, how could the boot be the only thing holding it in place?

Can you better define your problem, Chris?
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:37 PM
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Screws?

The only way the axle would slip out of the joint is if:

1) The circlip was left out (or broken)
2) the axle has snapped
3) the CV joint has broken
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:39 PM
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Brando is on target. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:40 PM
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there could be a hairline crack in the cage...
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:46 PM
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I don't have the car handy.

The problem is that the axle is floating. As in free moving I'm not getting any power to either of the wheels because of that (open differential.)

The axle it still attached to the transaxle via the ring. I don't have any clue as to what circlips should be there.

When I push the axle back in, it seems to lock. The problem is that I couldn't see anything because it's dark out. The entire thing failed as I was coming out of the parking lot of my local Chinese food takeout place.

There is no horrible grinding noise when I release the clutch, so I am hoping that nothing big is broken. But there could be something that I can't see or feel.
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:52 PM
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Get the rear end in the air with some daylight.

The axle is floating... Which side? Transmission side? Trailing arm/stub axle side?

Even if the axle came out of the CV, you would still hear a grinding noise as the splines ground against the inner part of the CV joint -- either side.

Get the axle in question off, take the boots off and start looking at it. You won't be able to tell until you get them apart. Unless you have a limited slip in your gearbox (very doubtful) you're going to need a loaner car tomorrow.
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:53 PM
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I *did* check the bolts. They seemed somewhat tight. But on second thought, the ring could be cocked. I was kinda in a hurry. I'm entertaining guests.
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:54 PM
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Dude, Brando. Gotta have it running by 6 am tomorrow.

Yeah. Loaner car.... eck.
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:54 PM
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I'm guessing broken CV joint. if the bolts were so loose that the CV was turning, the boot would turn with it, as it's secured on the outside of the CV joint.

I guess it could be a clutch issue as well. I hope that you can get it on the road soon.
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post Jan 30 2007, 08:56 PM
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Even if the axle came out of the CV, you would still hear a grinding noise as the splines ground against the inner part of the CV joint -- either side.


Do you think that would be audible over engine noise? I'm not sure.
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post Jan 30 2007, 09:01 PM
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chris,
post on the local board. someone near may be able to help you (kev or ben). do you have the 12pt tool?
i'd help, but i am mr. mom tonight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
I hope you have a garage.........single digits tonight (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Jan 30 2007, 09:04 PM
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It should/ would be audible over engine noise with your ear near the rear of the car.

Borked CVs have a distinct metal-on-metal-grinding-while-beating-a-live-goat-with-a-chainsaw sound to them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Not to be an ass... but, you really really won't know what killed it or what is wrong until you get the axle in question off of the car and apart so you can look at it with your eyes. We can only point out possible causes. Any way you look at it... it's either a new CV joint, replacing the circlip, or (uh oh) tran$mi$$ion problem$.

Stop foolin around on the PC and get it offa there boy. C'mon, shouldn't take you more than 30 minutes (and it will entertain your guests too!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 30 2007, 09:57 PM
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F#in A!

It is COLD!!! Jesus.

It is indeed the axle. It isn't broken. The axle splines are pulled ALL the way out of the CV. The differential is definitely giving power to the CV. The axle is forced out in such a manner that there is no audible sound. I left it in 1st gear and went around to look, just to make sure. Don't try THAT at home.
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post Jan 30 2007, 09:59 PM
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Retaining clip is probably broken.

Open it up and get the pieces out before they go into your CV joint and get all chewed up.
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post Jan 30 2007, 10:00 PM
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Additionally, I couldn't remove the CV because I don't have a jack to get the rear end in the air. Or at least not a jack that I can carry 7 blocks. God. I need to find me a scissor jack to keep in that car. It gives me more goddamn problems.

You'd think that at 24 bucks an hour, I could just buy a Boxster and be done with the damn thing.
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post Jan 30 2007, 10:02 PM
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I'll make a point of getting that clip out. Where do I get a new clip, or is it a standard size?

Definitely won't make work tomorrow. CRAP! Never missed a first day before.
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post Jan 30 2007, 10:03 PM
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You would think.

Go buy a mini jack, not a scissor jack.. They will fold out from under you.

I carry both, but never have trusted the scissor jack... honestly.
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